What’s with the ALP and the polls?

What’s with the ALP and the polls?

After the craziness of the last sitting week of parliament before the budget session, and the emotional roller-coaster that was the leadership spill, that wasn’t, I am left feeling somewhat bemused.

English: Simon Crean in 2010.

Simon Crean in 2010. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

My frist reaction, as I watched Simon Crean was of  WTF!

I was angry and frustrated, as were many other ALP supporters, from what I read on the different blogs that I frequent, wondering how and why such a strong ALP man as Crean could possibly think that he was acting in the best interests of the party, when he had just handed the election to Abbott on a silver platter?

This wasn’t however the first time that I had felt anger and frustration this week, at politicians.

The first source of my ire was the independents as they dithered over the media legislation, so desperately needed, to deal with the lying, spin merchants laughingly called “NEWS” outlets.

Rupert Murdoch - Caricature

Rupert Murdoch – Caricature (Photo credit: DonkeyHotey)

I watched on, incredulously, as the self serving media bosses waxed lyrical about freedom

of the press and free speech in front of the senate committee, while out in the real world, the front pages of the tabloid purveyors of crap, and the “News” headlines from a variety of outlets, screamed “WE NEED STRONGER REGULATION!” while the independents, who have been comprehensively done over by the media since the last election, whined “We need more time”.   To which I replied, for the first time this week, WTF!

My first thought was that Wilkie’s a knob, so I expected no less from him, but Thomson and Oakshot in particular should be jumping at the chance to put the wind up the Murdoch devil and his morally and ethically bankrupt sycophants.

However, I digress. The real question of the week for me is “Why are certain members of the caucus so poll driven, as to be prepared to become the tools by which media speculation can turn into self fulfilling prophesy?”

Having said that, and after the first flush of anger subsided, I thought that just maybe Crean had, in the words of someone else, “strapped on the suicide vest and blown himself up, for the sake of the party” or in the more widely used term “Taken one for the team!”

Now in the harsh light of day, I am somewhat prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, as he is no fool.   But when there is such an obvious bias in the entire MSM, not to mention their ABC, and the main players are the ones that commission the polls, which at best, miss a huge demographic in the under forties, who predominantly use mobiles as opposed to landlines, and at worst, are as corrupt as the MSM and for that matter the LNP, then why give them so much credence this far out from an election?

Are they so faction focused, that they don’t care about winning?

Are they so shit scared of their own shadows that they will believe what  the MSM tell them?

Are they just plain stupid?

Are they LNP sympathisers?

Will someone PLEASE enlighten me as to “What’s with the ALP and the polls?”

And for those ALP pollies that feel this way…   FFS just ignore the polls, and get on with the job of showing up the LNP for the rabid right wing nut jobs that they are!

Finger puppet: Tony Abbott

Finger puppet: Tony Abbott, and you have to wonder where Murdochs finger goes (Photo credit: Hil)

 

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79 Responses to What’s with the ALP and the polls?

  1. You said if for me better than I could.

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  2. Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

    Absolutely agree TS and your last sentence says it all really.
    I wonder what the Murdochracy will come up with next.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hi Sandra, thanks for your comment 😀

      It’s a question that most thinking people should be asking themselves, but I don’t think that they are that creative, so the answer is probably a new twist on an old theme, or just more of the same 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  3. Tinfoilhatter says:

    Lunching, plotting, scheming, rehearsing. Let us all hope for a fierce case of indigestion followed by explosive diarrhoea for all involved with newscorp(erson)eration.

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  4. cornlegend says:

    Strange times alright.
    For the life of me, I fail to understand the position Oakeshott and Thomson in particular took on Media reform
    Agree, we need tougher legislation.
    Just as an aside, did you notice which way Slipper jumped. ?

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      corlegend, strange time for us, and scary times for our democracy 😦

      I didn’t hear anyone mention Slipper, so I’m not sure that he was there? 😉

      Cheers 😀

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      • Marilyn says:

        Slipper was with the government. The terrible thing about listening to Oakeshott claim they needed more time is that he was happy to have criminal laws passed through both houses of parliament in a few hours while knowing it was illegal.

        I speak of course of the rejigged criminal enterprise of government human trading and trafficking where Oakeshott thought it would be fine to ship war victims to places like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and even China and North Korea even though it was illegal.

        What did he need more time for over media changes?

        Crean should have shut up, he knew long in advance that Rudd was not challenging anyone or anything.

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  5. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    Seems Kim Carr answered in his media conference yesterday,
    “we have been behind in 27 straight polls ……… he said

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      cornlegend, believe it or not, it was that interview after a couple of others that prompted me to write this post, cos I’d heard similar comments from all those Rudd supporters that quit, as justification for their decisions. 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  6. JoanG says:

    slipper voted with the gov. on the front page of sunshine coast daily

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      JoanG, welcome, and thanks for your comment 😀

      Thanks for the update, we only get the SC Daily on the weekends, as my wife likes the them, mainly for the features, not for the news as a rule 😯 and I only read the motoring section unless something like the piece you mentioned catches my eye, or my long suffering wife points it out 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  7. Joy Cooper says:

    Well said TS. Joel Fitzgibbon is out there still trying to whiteant the PM & the Federal Labor Party. It is disgraceful.

    Here is what he said on Triple J’s Hack program.

    [Quote]”We created an environment in which the Caucus was forced to either take the offer or reject the offer and, unfortunately, they rejected the offer, Many of these people are on margins of far less than 10 per cent and if we go to the polls on the current primary vote numbers, they will all lose their seats. So you’ve just got to ask yourself: what is going on?

    “What makes it weird is they are not putting their personal position first, they are potentially sacrificing themselves by coming to the conclusion that somehow under the current leadership, things will improve.”[End quote]

    He is definitely one who, it appears, would rather lose the coming election than see Julia Gillard as PM. Do hope he can be persuaded to stop talking to the media or he will become the irrelevancy, that the bitter turncoat, Graham Richardson has.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Joy, thanks for your comment 😀

      Yes, IMHO it makes much more sense to concentrate on showing up the LNP for the idiots they are, than to prove themselves idiots by trying to further destabilise the Gov 🙄

      Cheers 😀

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  8. bob macalba says:

    Nice one TS, mate i felt exactly the same, my first reaction was WTF,, then a few more swear words before grabbing a book and tuning out for a day to calm down, now after coming back and following up on all the info out there im with those who say he took one for the team, no gain really for him personally as he knew rudd didnt have the numbers, so it was the aftermath he was aiming for embarrassing both the msm and the outing for good of the white anting miserable rudd supporters, cleaned the poo out now back to beating abbortt, i know that seems quite simplistic but the results seem to speak for themselves

    cheers

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Bob, thanks for your comment, and continued support 😀 😎

      I did a similar thing, except I went and did the grocery shopping to calm down, after all the swearing 😦

      Talk about high farce! “roll:

      Cheers 😀

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    • lmrh5 says:

      I said so in a twitter yesterday. A great strategic move of JG.

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      • Truth Seeker says:

        Imrh5, welcome to my site, and thanks for your comment and likes 😀

        yes it took a while to see it, but after the anger subsided it was fairly obvious there was more going on than the navel gazing MSM could see 😀

        Cheers 😀

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    • Marilyn says:

      Rudd was not whiteanting, he has told everyone for over a year that he is not challenging anyone for anything.

      Why do you lambast the MSM over one thing but believe them when they bad mouth Rudd?

      Did you ever consider as Peter Van Onselen has today that the whiteanting was against Rudd, not the other way around?

      In fact the wiki cables showed clearly that Gillard, Shorten and Arbib were in the pockets of the Israeli and US governments and abusing Rudd on a daily basis to the embassy men.

      He was not got rid of because he was incompetent or did anything wrong, he was got rid of because the US and Israel didn’t think he was subservient enough, he voted against Israel in the UN a few times and kicked out the ambassador for using false passports to have a man murdered.

      But the MSM only want to pretend that none of this is true, if you don’t believe me google wikileaks by Philip Dorling and find out.

      I went to the library and celebrated another loss for the racist government in the federal court, something that was real news.

      Now the head of the apology committee squarely blames Gillard and Crean for this – Rudd had assured them he was not doing anything at all.

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-22/forced-adoption-victims-disgusted-at-labor-spill/4588552

      Now I wonder how many more times you are going to keep on the blinkers and blame Rudd for everything, if he is so bad he would have brought them down by now and gone home to sip tea and write nasty tell all books like Latham did.

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      • Truth Seeker says:

        Marilyn, welcome and thanks for your comment 😀

        Sadly, if you bothered to read some of my other posts, you would see that I was actually a supporter of Rudd, and tend to agree on the possibility that he was played as a pawn in a bigger game. 😯

        I do believe however that he was not an easy person to work with of for, and I am happy to take him at his word that he was not personally involved in the whiteanting, but his supporters were IMHO and needed to be dealt with, which is what happened.

        I also respect your right to have an opinion, but I hope that you will respect my right to ask that you keep on topic and do not try to take the discussion in a different direction.

        Cheers 😀

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      • cornlegend says:

        Marilyn.
        Blame Crean.
        “Why did we put ourselves out so much for everybody to get to Canberra, to have such a beautiful day with what Julia said, and then to have it all crash to the ground?” she saidThe organiser said

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  9. 2gravel says:

    Truth Seeker
    I love the way you think and write, keep going you good thing, and a huge kiss to the wife.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Gravel, Thanks so much for your kind words, and support 😀

      I read and appreciate all your comments on TPS and The Pub, and I am very glad that you take the time to visit us here too 😀

      Your contributions are always worth while 😎

      And thanks on behalf of my gorgeous wife who deserves a medal for putting up with me 😀

      Cheers 🙂 😀 😎

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  10. bilko says:

    TS
    With you 100% my thoughts now are, the leadership issue is gone, the election is nigh so what can the MSM talk about omg policy has it finally come down to this.

    I have said often the polls are not representative of the electorate as mobiles are not canvassed and they represent a fair proportion of the populace.

    In my family alone I have a daughter, two grandsons, a granddaughter in law all with mobiles only. The OH & myself are on a silent number however my son whose number is listed can be polled. One out of seven. I do not think we are unique so where does that leave the polls??.

    All that is needed it to clean up the media reporting and bingo democracy is restored but wait some of the indies who are the worst victims of the media chucked this once in a lifetime chance to help set a level playing field and I ask myself WHY???.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Bilko, welcome to my site, and thanks for your comment 😀

      As I do with gravel, I enjoy your comments on TPS and CW, and am happy to see you here 😀

      I do hope that it’s not a once in a lifetime opportunity though, for the media legislation, and there is some talk that they have been placed on notice for the next sitting, 😎

      Maybe i’m just being a bit of an optimist 😯 😆

      Our family make up is very similar, with all the kids working from mobiles, so how can they be a representative sample? 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  11. joe6pack says:

    Very well said Truth seeker. A great read

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  12. russell says:

    Please forgive if a little out of date/off topic. I have been perplexed since gathering some understanding of how an internal NSW Labor poll result was manipulated in order to convince Gillard to go against Rudd. The internal poll was reportedly ‘adjusted’ to make it appear as tho Rudd was not doing well. This convinced Gillard to stand against Rudd. Not only are Newspolls etc dubious but even Labor internal polling can appear to be manipulated for a purpose. Rudd had stated he thought there should be less power with the factions. I remember thinking at the time, he has done his dash there. The AWU, Howes, Shoppies and NSW Right etc could not allow Rudd to dismantle their power. They used Gillard to that effect. This may in some small way explain why Labor is now paranoid around any poll, internal or external.
    I think your article touches on a very soft spot for the governance of the labor party. They so far seem not willing to address it. Are they already captured by it? Murdochracy has dictated ‘who needs news when we can have the polls (that confirm my news)?’ I’ve heard the term ‘poll driven’ but it has never been a more real action than in these days. Polls are being used to dismantle democracy just as news papers as a form are being diminished. The influence of one relegates to the other. Are any of them for real?
    Of all days for Crean to pull such a stunt I cannot comprehend. Unless it was inspired by Murdoch’s team inside and out of the party. Crikey’s Bob Gosford predicted it over a week ago. A lot of people said it was coming up, but why that day in particular? Calculated to cause maximum damage to any labor cause. How many of those ladies will never think of voting labor again? It must have been poll driven !! Or at least justified by a poll? Probably an ALP NSW internal one.
    Thank you for article and best wishes for your thoughts, your arm and a long lived social media.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      russel, welcome to my site, and thanks for your comment 😀

      I, like you, was first made aware of the poll driven factions within the ALP at the same time, and was angered by their response to them, in deposing Rudd.

      I now understand that there was more to Rudd’s dismissal, and with hindsight there were signs to see.

      However one wonders as to the motivations of certain faction members in frequently putting the faction ahead of what’s good for the party and more importantly the country, based on, at best, dubious polls. I do tend to think that in the fullness of time, Crean will be seen in the history of the ALP as somewhat of a hero in forcing the issue and putting paid to the rampant speculation of some of the rabid right media, and shutting down much of the whiteanting that has been going on.

      Sadly nothing short of strong ‘Truth in media’ Legislation will stop the MSM altogether, and the LNP will continue to spout their puerile rubbish regardless… cos it’s all they’ve got. 😦

      I do appreciate your thoughtful comment, which was neither out of date or off topic. 😀

      Cheers 🙂 😀 😎

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      • Marilyn says:

        Rubbish, Crean knew Rudd was doing nothing, he got a text long before the press conference.

        And the only thing you are going on to claim other reasons to depose Rudd are the moronic reasons in the same MSM you don’t trust now.

        You can’t be a truth seeker and not see the truth.

        The rabid MSM can’t be right one time and wrong over the same thing the next.

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        • Fran says:

          Truthseeker, thanks for your articles. I’ve read quite a few, but this is the first time I’ve written in. I would hate to see MarilynS destroy yet another interesting blog with her nasty hateful trolling. I know that people don’t like to block anyone’s input, but please do consider stopping her before she ruins your blog, & turns any article comments into being focused on her, as she has done with so many other sites online.

          As to Crean, I think recent events have shown that he is not a hero of Labor, but a traitorous destroyer, determined to ensure the ALP won’t win the next election. I wonder what has been offered to him to betray his own party. Rudd was offered a Foreign affairs job by Julie Bishop if the Coalition win the election; which is clearly a bribe. Perhaps Crean has been offered something too. The stakes must be really high for such despicable underhand behaviour to be occurring in Australian politics. I’ve never seen it so bad.

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          • Truth Seeker says:

            Fran, welcome to my site 😀 and thanks for your comment 😎

            Yes Marilyn came and said her piece, but I am well aware of her blind hatred for JG, and called her out on it and she hasn’t been back since.

            I had a similar problem with another troll called Iain Hall, and I have a strict policy that I will let “Most” have their say, but then cut them short when they start their trolling.

            I agree about Crean, as I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I am coming to realise that he is not what he used to be 😦 and my original assessment may well be wrong. 😯

            Thank you for your first comment, it was insightful and well put together, and I hope I can look forward to more from you 😀

            Cheers 😀

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  13. cornlegend says:

    Lets face it, MSM hate Gillard.
    She’s a strong woman.
    can almost see the next weeks media cycle
    “Labor in disarray challenge likely”
    That should keep Abbott safe for another week

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    • Marilyn says:

      OK you keep saying she is strong but have no proof. What is strong about her? She covers her backside well?

      Is it strong to give in to manipulated polls or any polls at all? She should have learnt from Obama, keep your so-called enemies close.

      He kept Hilary close and she made a pretty good job ot it and became very popular all over the world. Kerry is going to have a tough act to follow.

      Peter VanOnselen can hardly be called a Rudd supporter but he has a far more clear sighted take on things.

      Today a 50 something year old Afghan man is in an isolation cell in Villawood threatened with further illegal deportation to rot on Manus Island after major surgery here.

      What is the point of this cruelty and Corn, does that make Gillard strong or a gutless coward?

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      • cornlegend says:

        She is a strong smart, forceful woman, determined and focused .
        She has weathered all they have thrown at her so far, survived throughout the Rudd whiteanting and leaking
        She serves it right up toAbbott continually in Question time
        and above all that, continued on with pension increases Pollution Tax, Gonski, NBN
        NDIS, Childcare reform, increased wages for nursing home ,childcare and social and community workers and about 400 other pieces of Legislation.
        On the whole, she has held the minority government together well
        Julia leads from a position of determination, strenghth and effectiveness against all the attacks, white anting and back stabbing.
        She has seen Rudd off into oblivion [if he is a man of his word.
        My opinion, she is the best, most talented , and smart woman to come out of South Australia.
        And all as the daughter of ‘ten pound poms”
        Strong, Determined, Bloody Hell yeah

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  16. Truth Seeker says:

    cornlegend, as I said in my reply to russel, nothing will stop the MSM altogether.

    That’s because they are so committed to their agenda of bringing down the government that I don’t think they can stop, they’ve invested too much in it 😦 Which should give us some indication of how much is a stake, and why the are so hell bent on winning at all costs. 👿

    Cheers 😀

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  17. Marilyn says:

    Poll dancer by Mungo McCallum and the media’s obsession with polls is part of the problem. But the fact is a poll is about as useful as tits on a bull as a measure of anything at all.

    I would like all the pollsters and press gallery ranters to have a nice long holiday, there is an almost empty resort on Christmas Island just waiting for them.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      We agree on the MSMs obsession with the polls, and I know that you despise Julia Gillard, and I have a fair idea as to why, which we won’t go in to here, but the truth is that the greens have no chance of forming government, so your choices are fairly clear cut.

      You can allow your hatred of JG to colour your ideas to the detriment of the country and you own ideals, by letting Abbott in, or you can accept JG as the only viable alternative with a view to getting some compromise after the event, which any fool can see is not an option with ABBOTT!

      BTW, I personally think your hatred is irrational and unfounded, but that’s just my opinion , as yours is yours 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  18. Fed up says:

    No, they just have too much faith in their own egos. Nothing to do with factions, I believe. Some believe they are superior to any women. One in particular, I know from personal experiences, falls into it that caterogy. Glad to see him go.

    As for Crean, I believe he just wanted the shit to finished. I do not see any ot that stupid mob, actually pushing for Rudd. Most had their own agenda.

    From what Crean said, they believe they could contain Rudd, by putting Crean in as Deptuty. Believe me, if the PM could not in that role, no one can.

    One can only come to the conclusion, this PM has managed to curb the personal agendas of that mob, up to this time, and at great cost to her. .

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  19. Fed up says:

    As for that speech on the illegal adoptions that were forced on mothers. I have heard nothing but how great the PM’s speech was. The same cannot be said for the one Aboot made. Most think he should have known better, than to say what he said.

    Most would have been on their way home after the fracas erupted.

    I fail to see how the PM is to be blamed for what occurred. I am sure she could have done without the events that occurred later in the day. Probably would agree with those who attended the apology speech.

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  20. Fed up says:

    I believe this weeks events is nothing more than over inflated egos driven.

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  21. Truth Seeker says:

    Fed up, I am sure that’s a part of it, as ego is a driving force in many in their positions, however, I am not necessarily convinced that Rudd was playing a completely active roll, although I’m not totally discounting it either.

    Crean I consider a good labor man, and think that he may have taken the action that he did for more altruistic reasons.

    The cost to Julia Gillard is yet to be counted, and I get the feeling that it may not be as high as many think 😀

    Cheers 😀

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  22. Fed up says:

    TS, I am sure that Rudd soaked up being courted by such men. Much of what he said, always has a let out clause. That is up to his last undertaking. Listening to him talking, it was there, until he said no way. Have problems with his earlier comments at the same time.

    i AGREE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, HE WAS BEING USED.

    Yes, Like you, I fought hard for Rudd. I believed the media did ot treat him well.

    It was on the day, he canceled the insulation scheme, When he sold out Garrett and the hundreds of workers that were putting the batts into the roofs. Just before Christmasd to make it worse.

    Then came his back down in taking action on climate change, the inability to make decisions. Along came along his inability to bring in a decent MRRT.

    Then we had him day in, day out, turning up at hospitals, but nothing ever seems to inventuate..

    It was like he was caught in a time warp.

    It was a slow process to come to the belief that something was wrong. After all it was his swift and courageous action that brought us through the GFC. That he will always be remembered for.

    Rudd needs to take time out to visit Latham. I am sure he has a good message for him. Latham, when deposed, did not take it kindly, but in hindsight, is saying what occurred was not bad but good. As Latham said, one cannot lead one’s life, holding grudges, one has to move on.

    I believe that this Labor government has treated Rudd kindly., Maybe too kindly in hindsight. Maybe a little tough love would have been better for him, allowing to move on quickly.

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  23. Fed up says:

    Thank you, Kevin.

    It all looked scripted, timed and choreographed to impose maximum damage on Gillard, create fresh despair — were that possible within the Government — and force the draft that Rudd said on Thursday he had wanted as a condition of his return to the leadership.

    Kevin Rudd insisted at his Brisbane press conference late on Friday that there were now “no circumstances” in which he would return to the leadership of the Labor Party. Since he also confirmed he will be recontesting his suburban Brisbane seat, Griffith, presumably Rudd’s renouncement of his leadership ambitions extends no further than election day on September 14.

    http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/define-no-circumstances/

    I have a lot of sympathy with this article.

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  24. Fed up says:

    How does one survive when unopposed.

    Surely, if one is unopposed, one is not at risk, therefore there is nothing to survive from.

    They should be saying, the PM was never in any risk of losing.

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  25. Truth Seeker says:

    Fed up, in these situations, it’s very hard, when on the outside looking in, to know the whole truth, and usually after you’ve listened to all sides, the truth is somewhere in the middle. 😯

    And to be honest, I don’t think it’s that important, as the media will perform numerous postmortem’s, and will wax lyrical about their opinions on the matter, which are probably no closer to the truth that anyone else’s guess.

    What is more important IMHO is the outcome for those involved, and clearing the decks was needed for JG to get some clear air, and regardless of the MSM and LNP, she can now ignore any murmurings from within and focus on the job at hand… The systematic tearing down of the LNP 😀 and six months to do it. 😎

    Cheers 😀

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  26. LOVO says:

    Good read TS, am wondering whom the new deckhands will be…. and I do hope they are ready for the inevitable MSM BS aboot them…… and Cu maybe some of the LNP policies are in here:-
    http://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/ipa-agenda-to-re-shape-australia/

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      LOVO, thanks for your comment and kind words 😀

      We should know who the new deck hands are by early next week 😀 and I think we are all ready for the inevitable MSM BS, cos it’s all they’ve got 😀 and we know that they’re full of it. 😯

      If I didn’t know better, (the sniper’s a great blog) I would have assumed that you have posted a link to the nearest toilet 😆 cos that’s where most of the LNP policies reside 😯 😆

      Cheers 😀 😆

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  27. Truth Seeker says:

    cornlegend, you have summed up our PM very well, and I’m definitely with you 😀 A smart, powerful and gutsy lady, and a bloody good PM 😀

    Cheers 😀

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  28. cornlegend says:

    Hope she gets a bit of clean air, not likely though.
    I’m beginning to think Australia will get what it deserves.
    I get pretty disillusioned at times.
    Some time I just can’t understand the working class ,because, as with Howard it will be them that elect Abbott, then pay the price

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      cornlegend, yes I too hope that she gets some clear air, but with Pyne this morning saying that he is getting text messages from caucus members, like you, I very much doubt she will.

      Although I don’t put much credence in anything that Pyne says 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  29. Fed up says:

    It could not be possible that someone is pulling Pynes leg.

    Rememebr, Pyne is the one that is proud of having no friends outside his own party.

    It so, why would anyone being tweeting Pyne, of all people.

    In fact, I believe in the last couple of weeks, the media has been fed false leads.

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  30. Fed up says:

    Mr.. Abbott says he is required to force an election. Added when the government is going so badly.

    Is this true.

    Yes, there are problems within the party.

    Is this affecting the govenments ability to to govern. Does not appear so.

    The house is working. Legislation is passing. Tjhere are no corruption or scandals.,

    Is not liking a government, grounds to force an election before the due date.

    Are there really grounds for an immediate election. Especially when one at this time would put the houses out of sync.

    One that would lead to electoral instability.

    One that would allow Abbott to get away with having no properly costed policies. He has his blue pamphlet, he clasps to his breast, with little or no informatiion or data.

    Is an early election at this time, in the best interest of democracy?

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      The only requirement for Abbott to force an election comes from the LNP 😯

      He, like Pyne, is full of shit, he knows that the longer he waits, the more chance there is of his world and his ambition hitting the wall.

      There’s the Ashby case coming up, there’s Thomson, there’s calls to the AFP to investigate Brough not to mention the pressure to investigate his own slush fund and his lies to the AEC.

      Cheers 😀

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  31. Fed up says:

    Well if we are to believe what he said on that Annabelle Food program, he has not. Howard was not an admirer. As far as I can see, Abbott and Vanstone seem to be the only members of his fan club.

    Love listening to the like of Kroger, telling us what Labor is about.

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  32. Truth Seeker says:

    Tinfoilhatter, let’s hope so 😆 😀

    Cheers 😀

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  34. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    you surprise me with your threats of violence.
    For me it would be Pyne, Mirabella, [I’m no gentleman}Kelly O’dwyer …Abetz Brandis, the little thug himself…..etc…etc…
    I see Kelly the dog is on Q&A tomorrow night.
    Will tell you now, she will speak over everyone, trying to drown them out.
    always sickening

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      cornlegend, as I said I am not usually a violent person, but Kroger makes my blood boil every time I see him, and with Mirabella, I just want to have a shower, as even mentioning her name makes me feel dirty.
      Pyne and Abetz make me want to have them arrested for impersonating human beings, and as for “STFU” Kelly, there are numerous inanimate objects that i would love to stuff in her oversized gob every time she opens it, I could go on about the rest of the LNP (Lying Nutjobs Party),(Acronym purloined from my latest post 😀 ) but I am sure you get my drift 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  35. cornlegend says:

    Geez Truthy,
    Am I to assume you don’t like em ?

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  36. Truth Seeker says:

    cornlegend, Nailed it in 1 😀

    What gave me away? 😯

    Cheers 😀

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  37. cornlegend says:

    Sheer investigative ability.

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  38. Truth Seeker says:

    Time for a bit of perspective.

    The Guardian UK tells how Ausies have become perennial whingers, and don’t know how lucky we are. 😯

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/21/australians-julia-gillard

    Cheers 😀

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  39. l don`t have certain numbers, but by going on the reported TV so-called news, the Kevin07`camp` seemed to be about `seven` in number. Look at all the `secret-sauce` stories the embedded media have been running between `Crean-imploding` and the previous Kevin07 `challenge`. The embedded media are just peddling any crap that comes their way, and are failing to meet their own reporting `standards`. What a strange day, with the non-spill that Crean started.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      730reportland, thanks for your comment 😀

      Yes, who said we need new media laws and a public interest advocate? 😯

      They have no constraints, morals or conscience! 😦

      Cheers 😀

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  40. Truth Seeker says:

    Mmmmm?, just got a phone call from reachtell polling asking questions about privatisation in QLD 😀 Naturally all the question were answered in the negative for the LNP, but it’s interesting that for all the years that I lived in Western Sydney, I was never polled, and yet since we moved to a safe LNP seat (Fisher)around 15 years ago, we have been polled four or five times in local (QLD) polls, and at least twice in national polls….. coincidence?…. Maybe? 😉

    Cheers 😀

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