What mandate Mr Abbott?

What is a mandate Mr Abbott?

Now, contrary to popular opinion, the “mandate” that I’m referring to, is not what Chrissy Pyne and James Ashby engaged in, in Peter Slippers office while Slipper was out.

Ashby and Pyne

And it isn’t the type of “mandate” that Mal Brough had with Clive Palmer, when he asked Palmer to finance Ashby’s spurious legal case against Slipper.

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It is the type of “mandate” that Abbott refers to when he says he will have a mandate to implement his policy program:

  • Scrapping the carbon price.
  • Stopping the Boats.
  • Stopping the waste.
  • Implementing his Ludicrous PPL scheme.

Etc etc etc…

It’s the same type of mandate” that Kevin Rudd had in 2007 for implementing his ETS, that was subsequently ignored by Tony Abbott.

So what makes any “mandate” that Tony Abbott might have, if elected, any better, or stronger, or more binding than the “mandate” that the ALP has had in the past, that Tony Abbott felt, quite comfortable ignoring?

Absolutely nothing!

So what is a mandate?

In real terms, a mandate is simply the numbers that can be mustered on the floor of parliament, to support a piece of legislation.

The truth is that if the LNP or the ALP win government with 51% of the vote, there is still 49% of voters who voted against their respective policies.

So with 51% of the vote, can any party claim an absolute mandate?

Many, including Abbott would argue NO (unless it’s his “mandate”, then he would argue absolutely yes!).

Will the greens recognise Abbott’s “mandate” if he is elected, even though they will most likely get less than 12% of the vote?

And the answer is a resounding NO.   And they will argue that they have a responsibility to represent those that voted for them.

So what will we face in any possible Abbott government?

Would you buy a used car from any one of these?

Would you buy a used car from any one of these?

Well despite his insistence that he will scrap the carbon “tax”, he will NOT get it through the senate.

Despite his claim that he will implement his PPL scheme, it is almost certain that he will not get it through, as many on his own side have said they will cross the floor, and the greens will almost definitely demand  some amendment, if it gets to the senate.

Despite his claims that he will fix and build the economy, the reality is that he will not fix it cos it ain’t broke, and he will never build the economy by putting a minimum of 12,000 people directly out of work, while completely ignoring the fact that for every 1 public servant that is sacked, there are another 4 associated jobs that are affected.   What that means is that as many 60,000 jobs could be lost as a result of the 12,000 that he has told us about.

Abbott has already flagged the very real possibility of a double dissolution, if he doesn’t get his way, and the cost of another election will be just as damaging to our economy, as his policies.

  • So do we want a DD?
  • Do we wan’t a government that demands that other parties recognise their mandate, when they have never recognised anyone else’s?
  • Can we trust Tony Abbott, not to have a hidden agenda?
  • Do we really want a government that will be potentially, much more dysfunctional, than it has been claimed this current government has been, and ending up with a DD?

I believe that the answer to all these questions is NO!

I also believe that the only mandate that Tony abbott should be planning for, is the one with his mate Mal Brough, in the exercise yard of Her Majesty’s correction facility, after they have both been convicted for their crimes.

Image courtesy of Independent Australia

Image courtesy of Independent Australia

Mal Brough for his part (alluded to by Justice Rares) in stealing extracts from Peter Slipper’s diary, and trying to bring down a duly elected government, and Tony Abbott for lying to the AEC over his slush fund and being instrumental in having Pauline Hanson and David Ettridge falsely charged and gaoled, amongst other things.   😀

So the question is;

“What mandate Mr Abbott?”

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75 Responses to What mandate Mr Abbott?

  1. Mark my words says:

    I think a “mandate’ could only be claimed in an overwhelming win. Mandates are for lazy politicians.The Gillard Govt was one of the most hard working and effective govts ever, because they didn’t have a mandate. Without a mandate, and particularly in a hung parliament, every piece of legislation has to be fought hard and negotiated tirelessly for! TA has shown he cant and wont do this, so is trying to avoid the possibility…hence the No Green prefs deal! Which by the way is interesting . In saying that minor partiess and indies shouldn’t be able to call the shots, isnt he ignoring the fact that the Libs are just the largest of the minor parties itself, not being able to get power without the NP !!!

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Mark, thanks for your comment 😎

      Yes you are right, but every political leader claims a mandate just for winning an election, regardless of the numbers, and for the most part ignores everyone else’s claim of a mandate.

      And again you are right about the LNP being the biggest of the minor parties, and as I said in an earlier post, Abbott claiming that he wont make deals with minor parties completely ignores the fact that he would not be able to without the Nats, so it is a broken promise before the election is even held! 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  2. joy cooper says:

    100% spot on, Truth Seeker. That grub Abbott had me seeing red with his DEMAND (if you please) that Labor support his disgraceful skewed-to-the-wealthy PPL thought bubble as HE would have a mandate!!! You can bet your patootie that those of his party who are threatening to cross the floor will be bullied into line & will sit there like the dumb wastes of space they are.

    Have absolutely no idea why the media are acting the way they are, either. They are getting worse. Last night, Mark Riley of Ch 7 talked about the “stench of Labor” or words to that affect. I was so mad I couldn’t remember exactly what he said but the word stench was definitely used. Disgraceful.

    They also showed the contemptible Abbott at a factory, where I assumed they make fire engines or fit them out as this was not made plain. Anyhow he was there interfering with their work to have a photo op while he spruiked his so-called loans for apprentices scheme. Amongst all the male apprentices was a rather attractive young female. Abbott leered at her & said something like “was she the favourite girl there?” WTF!!! She snapped “Not really” turned on her heel & walked off leaving the rest of the lined up apprentices. The man is an embarrassment as well as disgraceful. Worse was that no one in the media thought his behaviour was in very bad taste.

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    • joy cooper says:

      Have found what Abbott actually said to her. It was “You would be the most popular girl in the place I suppose, wouldn’t you?” Her answer “Not really”. What a grub. Totally unfit to be leader of anything apart from a sleazy old men’s club.

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      • Truth Seeker says:

        Joy thanks for your comment 😎 and kind words 😀
        yes I saw most of the piece at the fire engine factory, but missed the bit with the young woman, as I lost interest, and was writing this piece at the same time 😀

        But you are absolutely right, he is a disgusting piece of work, and certainly not fit to represent us at anything other than a dirty old mans convention 😯

        Shame the woman doesn’t sue him for sexual harassment 😀

        Cheers 😀

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        • Kate Rose says:

          The version I saw had sub-titled his comments and her reply. She was intimidated enough by the comment to turn and walk away. The photo in the Herald Sun this morning said they were apprentices at Mills-Tui in Narangba, Queensland but were photographed standing in front of a Tasmania Fire Service truck (!?)
          She was the only female there, and in the photo there are fourteen young men. So you can imagine how vulnerable she probably feels in that environment without a figure of authority making those comments to her.
          But typical Murdoch press, no mention of the comments.

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          • Truth Seeker says:

            Kate Rose, thanks for your comment 😎

            Yes, the fact that she walked away is telling in itself, and you would expect no less from Murdoch than to ignore the elephant in the room! 😦

            Cheers 😀

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      • bundysmum says:

        No respect for women, he really is a dirty old man.

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      • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

        Joy, did you see Latika Bourke asking TA some good solid policy questions on the presser you were talking about? TA avoided giving her an answer, she persisted & TA started to verbally bully her. I thought that Latika was a definite right wing journo, but she has been asking some pretty tough policy questions to both pollies.
        TA is a grub, hates it if women start to question him too closely.

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    • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

      I totally agree with you Joy. But you know, I am getting the distinct feeling that the general public are awake up to the desperation that is TA/MSM band of misinformants & liars. Have just spent 4 days in a very busy hospital, on a ward with 3 other people who had lots of visitors, a;; talking about the election. Firstly the staff at the hospital (public) think that LNP just don’t get it as their hospital has had state funding cut dramatically in Victoria in the past couple of years. Then the visitors, both older & young were wanting to discuss what was happening with the election. They were wanting to hear about proper policies. They know that the media cannot be trusted to give them truth.
      Something that is clear to me is that people don’t particularly like Rudd over Abbott. So when they asked me who I would be voting for (they referred to Rudd or Abbott), I said that I was voting for the ALP (who have produced really good policies for the majority of us) not voting for the leaders of the parties. In other words, substance over shaky maybe policies.
      My take on all of this is now WHY THE HECK WOULD YOU CHANGE FROM WHAT IS GOOD TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT BE AS GOOD FOR THE MAJORITY. BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW THAN THE DEVIL YOU DON’T. Although I reckon the devil that is trying to con us all into believing that he has all of our interests at heart, when it is obvious he only has his own at heart, oh & those of the very rich & Murdoch of course.
      I don’t think that we should sell all of the general public short on the day.

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      • Truth Seeker says:

        Sandra, welcome back, 😀 and I hope all went well?

        Glad you had the opportunity to spread the word, while you were there, but more glad to see you back, and hoping that your recovery goes well. 😀

        Cheers 😀

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        • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

          Thanks Truthie, yes all went very well. Op on Thursday, out of bed & walking (gingerly) on Friday, home Monday morning. Zipper is a long one. This is definitely not going to stop me from getting down to my local voting booth. Yea!

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  3. davo says:

    Liberals and mandates.
    Howard still claims he had a mandate to enact the GST, despite receiving less than 49% 2pp and despite the public electing to the Senate what they thought was an Australian Democrat team with a policy of opposing it.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Davo, thanks for your comment 😀

      Yes but the mandate is only to be claimed when it suits 😯

      Rudd went to the 2007 election with a clear plan to introduce an ETS, and Abbott refused to recognise it 😦 but now expects everyone to accept that he’ll have a mandate despite the fact that he has already set the precedent. 😯

      What a KNOB 😀

      Cheers 😀

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      • davo says:

        Yeah mate, as I remember it, Howard took an ETS to the ’07 election which he has since claimed was pretty close to what Rudd proposed.

        Abbott even campaigned for it. Then opportunity knocked in the shape of Minchin & Co, Turnbull was rolled, and the rest is history.

        The fact that he broke an election undertaking on climate change to the people who voted Liberal and then had the hide to flay Gillard over the so called Carbon Tax still infuriates me.

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        • Truth Seeker says:

          Davo, absolutely right, but we should expect no less from the disgusting little twerp, as he, like the rest of his LNP cronies are all but devoid of conscience and morals 😯

          I saw him this morning saying how he helped the Bali bombing survivors, whilst announcing his retrospective compensation, nearly made me vomit. :mrgreen: the way that he will use anything to further his own cause 😯

          Cheers ;grin:

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          • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

            I thought that the ALP has already got compensation happening for anyone who has been injured through a terrorist activity. Rudd mentioned it yesterday with a figure of $75.000 cap. Then TA came on TV with his load of crock.
            My question is, why the hell wasn’t a policy like this brought in after 9/11 & Bali etc., when Howard was in power. Where was TA then. Talk about a hypocrite. It took the ALP to rectify that didn’t it. The vomit bucket is getting a good workout at the moment isn’t it Truthie.

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  4. kate ahearne says:

    Good morning, Truthie. Well, who’s been a busy boy, then? It’s a great ‘take’ on the situation to draw our attention to the ‘mandate’ issue. I’m afraid I’m going to be frantic today, but will try to check back in to see what people have got to say. Off to scrub the bathroom, clean the stove, defrost the fridge, hang out the washing, vacuum, dust…. so that I can get on the plane first thing in the morning with a clear conscience.

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    • Gregory T says:

      Kate,, My, who’s the most popular girl in your house today?

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Morning Kate 😀 thanks for that 😎

      Don’t run yourself too ragged, and make sure that you save enough energy to enjoy your trip 😀

      In case you don’t get a chance to comment again, I will take this opportunity to wish you a safe trip, and will look forward to your return 😀

      Cheers 😀

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    • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

      Go Kate! Don’t burst your foof foof valve though. Safe trip home.

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  5. bundysmum says:

    Geez Truthy, you really do nail it. I am beyond sick to death of this crap this moron spouts every time he stands in front of a camera. On and on he goes,repeating his mantras over and over like a broken down record player. The mandates and signature policies and fair dinkums and bad governments and all the other bullshit is driving me right up the wall.This mandate stuff is a load of crap, just because you win an election it does not necessarily follow that you have a mandate. I reckon you would need at least 75% to claim a mandate, any less means that a large portion of the population do not agree with your policies.

    So many words pour out of his mouth like verbal diarreah but he actually says swf.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Bundysmum, thanks for that 😀

      Sorry it’s taken me a while to reply, but I’ve been busy trying to build my web site 😦

      Yes he really is a waste of space, 😯 I just hope that the people are starting to see through him 😀

      A large majority could be called a mandate, but only if you tell the voters what you intend to do before the election.

      Unlike Newman who dumped it all on us afterwards. 👿

      Cheers 😀

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  6. bundysmum says:

    Oops, meant sfa as the last words.

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  7. Fed up says:

    The only mandate any PM has, is the vote of MPs that support him on the floor of both houses. If he does not have the numbers, that is just bad luck.

    It is not winner takes all. Each MP’s vote has equal value.

    Mr. Abbott, like any PM before him, will just have to lump it.

    By the way, he cannot just call a DD at will. New senators do not even sit, until well into next year.

    Not too sure that many businesses want to get rid of the so called carbon tax. The issue of carbon emissions still have to be dealt with.

    I am one that is old enough to recall the instability of the Menzies years, when he put the houses out of sync.

    Politics is the art of the possible, that relies on numbers. If one does not have the numbers, one does not get heir own way.
    Simple as that.

    There is nowhere in the Constitution, that says when one gets the numbers on the floor of the lower house, to set up government, every M<P, has to fall in line, and vote his way.

    In fact, the Constitution says that each MP's vote is of equal value. Says nothing about PMs or even the word government.

    Each MP is given a mandate, by their electorate to vote on their behalf. not on Abbott's behalf, or any party, also not mentioned in the Constitution.

    Abbott on Central Coast. making promises for things, that are already in place, in fact in the process of being set up.

    In fact, going to put more PS jobs inn Gosford. Where are they coming from, as is he not making the PS smaller.

    Also, announcing a inferior scheme, as he did in Tasmanian for long term unemployed. The scheme already in place are superior.

    Is not the Liberal candidate, the same person that failed to get nominated in the Labor party.

    Labor has a much superior candidate for this seat. A woman that has much respect in the community.

    Are the public really asking her to scrap the carbon tax. Must live in a different world. Never hear anyone mention it.

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  8. Fed up says:

    PS. I think I heard Palmer saying this morning, he will be doing some suing, when the election is out of the way.

    Abbott not discarding Rudd’s Garden Island plans outright.

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  9. Fed up says:

    The reporter is getting black looks. Asking hard questions. Of course no answer. Mother of all scare campaign. Nothing positive to say about the future. Just complained,that what Rudd is talking about, is far off into the future, and he is not interested in that.

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  10. Fed up says:

    Abbott just said, we will know about the costings in good times before the next election. Mr. Abbott. that is OK, but what about telling us what they are, before THIS election.

    He has corrected that to this campaign. Does he have a hearing aid, that gives him messages on what to say.

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    • joy cooper says:

      Have often wondered that myself, Fed up. His stilted responses & gazing into the distance as if he is listening to someone telling him what to say have made me feel he is receiving prompting on what to say. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if does wear a listening device. .These are very tiny nowadays & hard to see. Especially with his sized ears.

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  11. Fed up says:

    Mr. Abbott is raving on with, if I win, it will be a referendum on my policies. If any party votes against me, they will be wiped off the map.

    Mr. Abbott, it will only be a clear mandate, if the voters give you the numbers, to get your bills passed on the floor of both houses.

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  12. Fed up says:

    Spending less and saving more. we will get there quicker . simple arithmetic.

    I wish it was as easy as that. he is taking the risk, of saving too much, and destroying the economy in the process.

    Cuts lead to unemployment, that leads to bigger deficits.

    Bill Peach has died.

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  13. Fed up says:

    We do not elect a government. We do not elect a party. We only elect one MP in every electorate.

    The rest is how the elected MPs organize themselves to govern.

    They have power, while they have the confidence of the lower house, which is established by a vote on the floor of that house.

    Government can be changed at any time, if the elected MP change their minds.

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  14. Fed up says:

    Joy, have noticed on many occasions, when he says the wrong thing, he comes back with a correction in the next sentence.

    As for those apprenticed. They did not give Abbott a good time. Where not impressed with having to take loans out to live.

    Loans, as one pointed out, have to be paid back.

    When did they responsibility for training workers move from the employer to the employee.?

    Why has not his comment to the young apprentice made headlines.

    Rudd is in trouble for not saying a word to a makeup artist.

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  15. Fed up says:

    Lakita. Election 2010, all over again. By the way, Abbott did not appreciate her questions.

    Appears Abbott has a menu, one for all seasons. Will have a choice of actions, if elected. Three items on the menu, for when her will bring the budget back to surplus.

    Fiery exchange between the two.

    We are now back to forcing unemployed to move. Similar scheme already in place. Not many makeups.

    Yes, Abbott does promise much, that is already in place.

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  16. diannaart says:

    What about postal and early voters, Mr Abbott, you are not interested in releasing your costings to them?

    Speaking as someone who will vote this week – dodgy health results in keeping to appointments very difficult, I loath these little games.

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    • Caz2 says:

      Can we change our pre poll votes when the costings come out 24 hours before polling day? How can you have a mandate when some voters have to make a decision before having all the facts. Not that it will matter, he won’t keep his word about promises. Didn’t he say we should only believe what he puts in writing? Liar liar pants on fire.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Diannaart, thanks for your comment 😎 and yes, that’s a very good point 😀 anyone who votes early has to trust that he will do the right thing 😯 and also that pigs will fly 😦

      Cheers 😀

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      • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

        Agree Truthie, hopefully those that vote early will stay with what is, not what might be.

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  19. joy cooper says:

    Hmm, just thinking about the loans to apprentices. That is like going back to the very early days when a family had to go into hock to pay the village blacksmith (or whatever) to take on little Johnny as an apprentice.

    As Fed up mentions is this a good excuse for the employer to pay peanuts & get the apprentice to take out a loan so they can survive?? Will a Coalition government take away the new pay scale for apprentices?

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  20. lefturnahead says:

    Hi Truthie, loved the part about the mandate with Chrissy and James very funny and I believe true.
    I agree about the Bali episode, it was sickening to watch and read how the Media scum made out how Tony put his holiday and family on hold while he rushed to save the victims of the bombings and how the hero put his own safety at risk and bla bla bullshit and how come we have not heard of this miracle from Tony before this but 2 weeks out from Judgement day we now have Tony the Bali hero. I know one thing, this so called fucking Media in this country should all be deported to North Korea and employed as Media advisors to that young lunatic Kim Jong Un ,they would be welcome with open arms. I reckon the next big story will be Tony receiving a phone call from the Pope saying for the first time in history they have changed the rules and anointed Tony Abbott as the first living saint and Pell will kneel at his feet and Pyne will kneel at Pells feet but for different reasons. ps”’ My wife says I should calm down a bit,so I am going to play my piano for a while.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      lefturnahead, thanks for your comment 😀

      Yes, a fly on the wall in Slippers office would certainly have a tale to tell 😀

      As far as Abbott and his Bali hero status? 😯 I just think that there were many heros that day, and maybe Abbott did do his part? but as you say, the fact that he plays it for all it’s worth now, tends to cheapen his efforts, and brings into question his motives, in light of his other volunteer work that he gets paid for as he claims expenses for not only those efforts but also his charity rides. 😦

      I have to say, Pyne kneeling at Pell’s feet, kneeling at saint Abbott’s feet, conjures up some odd mental images, not to mention the thought of Pyne calling out “Form a circle” 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  21. Fed up says:

    Joy, like community hospital boards, Answers from yesterday’s man, from another era.

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  22. Fed up says:

    Maybe he sees IR being in the time of Master and Servant. Maybe, I an wrong, and he goes back to the days of master and slave.

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    • bundysmum says:

      Serf choices mark 2. Nothing bloody surer, back to the past as workers lose penalty rates and benefits so that big business can please the shareholders.

      I’m so worried that the people who will be most damaged by an abort govt. are the very ones who will vote him in. Deceived by all his lies but they will lose out big time.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Fed up, remember that his fave show is Downton Abbey… lords and servants?… 😦

      Cheers 😀

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  23. Fed up says:

    Anyone would think that penalty rates are a new invention. They generally go with low hourly pay rates.

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  24. Truth Seeker says:

    /large

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    • Sandra Searle (@SandraSearle) says:

      Kiera, this morning he’s (Clive) promising $2000 to everyone to help with the cost of living. WTF? The comedy keeps on going doesn’t it.

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  25. richo says:

    This little grub Abbott that is quite happy to vouch for peadiphile is not fit to even lead a filthy mens club.
    His mandate from me is to go and get …..
    How is it possible that our nation can even consider putting in to power a man that happily insults the PM, echoes insults in the die of shame debacle, has no comment of chaff bags and kicked to death comments.

    This morning I see he wants to cut $$ from the Newstart allowance already a pittance of a payment.

    How a man who is nothing but negative can turn around and argue that Labor is negative is beyond me.

    Julie Bishop the defender of asbestos makers. Wants to believe it is okay to stand in public and call our PM a fake and make personal attacks on him to make it out as humour.

    How much will Ms Scott rue the day she excused the grubby littel areshole and his sex appeal comment is anyones guess.

    What must those daughter’s of his really think I wonder.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Richo, welcome to my site 😀 and thanks for your comment 😎

      Yes the whole grubby lot make you just shake your head in disbelief 🙄

      Mind you, if they weren’t constantly supported by the dodgy polls, they would be as dead in the water as one of those leaky boats that they want to buy 😯

      I think they will rue the day that they let Palmer slip from their grasp 😆

      Yes there is not a lot of “Talent” in the female ranks of the LNP, and when you think that Abbott is a supporter of Mirabella?… well that really says it all about his taste in women and who he thinks should represent this country. 😯

      Cheers 😀

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      • richo says:

        Oh that Mirabella, I don’t condone violence but boy i could slap her face with her petulant bullshit.

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        • Truth Seeker says:

          Richo, I’m with you mate, 😯 the only good thing is that she is struggling to keep her seat, and that will be the best slap that the people could give her, when she gets dumped like the disgusting excuse for a human being that she is. 😀

          Cheers 😀

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  26. Truth Seeker says:

    Here’s an interesting idea, “Selling Abbott’s broadband.” 😀

    http://abbottsinternet.com.au/

    Cheers 😀

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    • richo says:

      I have been thinking about this of late quite a bit. This is a really important issue in the campaign that like the environment is not getting nearly enough attention.

      I have been wondering why we are so far behind the rest of the world on this. I recall the discussion about Fibre to the node and fibre to the home back in the Howard Government days. It was contentious then and remains so now. In the meantime Australia has been left behind. The question is why?

      Well when it comes to the discussions in the Howard era the only conclusion can be that it is due to Howard’s well publicised lack of spending on anything infrastructure related. Yes he was the largest spender but not where it counted.

      Easy to say why is it still the case now? Haven’t we had 6 years of a Labor Government now to make it happen. An easy question to ask. This is not from me a well researched post just an opinion but it seems to me that they have had to battle tooth and nail to get it happening. The issues around Telstra’s involvement or non involvement I think too have caused delay.

      Already we have visitors to our country that check our internet and find it laughable. As it is the costs we pay for data at ADSL and CABLE levels are excessive, and anyone on ADSL that is not “next door” to the exchange can attribute to the unreliability and fluctuation in speeds that occur.

      Big questions have to be asked about an opposition that is unable to see the benefits of the NBN. Question must be asked as to why Mr Turnbull opposes is and at the same time reportedly invests in a Fibre to the Premises program in another country.

      Questions must be asked, if this is supposedly the business friendly party why do they appose providing quality backbone to deliver services.

      Why would you oppose a program that enables remote medical assistance and things like that.

      I just don’t get how in any way it makes any sense.

      They can shout about the costs all they like but to be frank even if it did blow out to Turnbull’s farcical 90Billion you know what, I don’t care because it is an investment in this country and it’s future. An investment that will allow for business to be conducted in timely and efficient ways.

      Mr Abbott it is not about downloading video clips or about online games. It is about delivering services to this country for the good of this country.

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      • Truth Seeker says:

        Richo, spot on mate 😀

        I just watched Sloppy Joe debating the economy, and he kept on about their commitment to infrastructure, but it was all about roads, completely ignoring the real needs of a country in the 21st century.

        What he doesn’t get is that with the NBN the need for access to the cities will be reduced, as more people can work from home, and businesses can decentralise boosting employment in the regions and reducing pollution by reducing the need for access to the CBD’s. 😯

        So as usual, what they want to do is give us 19th century infrastructure, while denying us the 21st century infrastructure that is essential. 🙄 what a bunch of knobs!

        Cheers 😀

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      • melaine says:

        Fabulous to see you over here at Truthie’s Richo… I really enjoy your posts I have read elsewhere. I agree, even at $90b the NBN is worth it. Just not sure with the idea of selling it all off once it is built? This is one asset that should never be sold off, IMO.

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        • joy cooper says:

          It will be great to have such infrastructure as the NBN, Melanie, but this won’t happen if the Coalition get into power, I’m afraid. One point though, the $90 billion you mention is a Liberal lie put out to frighten the voters. The total sum to complete the rollout is nowhere near that plus it is all off budget & it will pay for itself. Rather like the Snowy scheme & the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

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          • richo says:

            Yeah, we know thatt it’s a liberal lie just more saying that it is worth it even if it were true Joy.
            Personally I reckon it should not only be held by the government but should be a situation where data is provided like the home phone used to be. The reality is broadband is virtually an essential service these days. In fact if you want a paper bill for services these days you must pay extra for it.

            Biggest mistake we made was to sell off our assets I reckon.

            The NBN should be a base level service say give everyone a few hundred gig at a nominaly service charge and then you could buy data blocks above that if needs be.

            C’mon don’t you all remember the old days of Telecom. Sure we paid through the nose a little bit for our calls but were we really any worse off. Don’t you all miss those days of waiting to ring your mates after 6 or after 9pm to get the cheap rates. 😉

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  27. melaine says:

    Actually I remember being on a ‘party line’ Richo!!!! Where you had to share the ‘line’ with several other subscribers… got to hear some really ‘interesting’ conversations, without meaning too of course!! We’ve certainly come along way since then… and I am hanging out for ‘our’ NBN… the REAL one not the crap the LNP are trying to fob off on us!

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    • davo says:

      I won’t see it for years, but so what? It’s not about me, it’s about nation building.

      And bearing in mind that even Turnbull admits we will have to go FTTP eventually, it just astounds me that ANYONE could support the Coalition model.

      As Windsor said, “Do it once, do it right, do it with fibre.”

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      • melaine says:

        Yeah, it’s a long way here too Davo … and you are so right, its not about us as individuals but all about nation building and creating infrastructure. But it WILL be worth the wait, eh?

        Love the Windsor quote… Think a Doctor said something similar to me once, LOL…

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  28. richo says:

    The other big difference of course is that NBN is connected to everyone and Fraudband will cost you thousands for crap

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