100 years on, and what have we learnt?

Anzac Day_TILE100 years on, and what have we learnt?

Over the last couple of days, I’ve heard people say “Have a happy ANZAC day!”, or just “happy ANZAC day!”, and it got me thinking about the true meaning of ANZAC day, and I’m sure that those people meant no disrespect to the memory of the ANZACS, as I mean no disrespect in these musings, but just wonder what those people are truly thinking about and are they;

  • Remembering those that suffered and/or died?
  • Remembering the sacrifices that the soldiers, sailors, airforce personel, doctors, nurses, and their families made?
  • Remembering the sheer stupidity and futility of war?
  • Remembering the millions of innocents caught up in a struggle, not of their making?
  • Remembering that war is primarily a tool of the politically ambitious?
  • Remembering that wars are started primarily as the result of lies and deceit, bigotry, racial, ethnic and/or religious  hatreds, or a combination of all of those, and not forgetting the main motivators of a hunger for power in the minds of a few, and the ultimate motivator of… GREED?
  • Or when they say “Happy” ANZAC day, are they primarily thinking about the social event?

Cos to my mind there’s little to be “Happy” about, in remembering war!

And the truth is that, (and it’s a sad admission) I’m a bit ANZAC’ed out this year, and it’s not a reflection of any disrespect for the day, or its significance, but rather as a result of all the commercialism and coverage, in the media, that’s been going on for weeks if not months, and in the sickening and ongoing rhetoric  of our politicians.

And every time I see these bloody lying politicians waxing lyrical about the sacrifices of those that went before, while actively promoting involvement in more of the same, and at the same time demonising those that are displaced as a result of  wars, started and/or exacerbated primarily as a result of their own, or their predecessors, political and personal ambitions and ideologies, I just get angry.

I also wonder what those that went before would have thought of this current situation, where the very same politicians that are standing hand on heart and declaring “Lest we forget”, are using war and the threat of war, to diminish and in some cases throw out altogether, the very freedoms that “Those that went before” fought and died to preserve?

War is not and should not be a time of happy remembrance, and for most, I’m sure that it isn’t, and although I know that the ceremonies are very solemn events, as they should be, and many do try to remember the horror and futility of war, there seems to me to be an unprecedented level of gross hypocrisy attached to the so called “remembrance” of a failed battle, and the birth of a nation that, in the current political climate, seems hell bent on repeating the mistakes of the past!

I know that we should”Never forget”, and hope we never do, but in many respects, it appears that we have!

We should always remember, revere and respect those that fought for our nation, from all wars.  That fought for our hard won freedoms, and died in the pursuit of said freedoms

We should always remember the nobility of spirit and the sacrifices of those individuals that fought and selflessly sacrificed so much, to stand against the power hungry and the tyrannical , for the sake of the innocent, and those that could not defend themselves.

We should also remember that there are times when we have to fight for our country, and what we believe to be right.

But we should also remember the implications for those innocents caught up in a war that is not of their making, and over which they have little or no control.

We should and must also remember the stupidity and futility of war.

And the question in my mind is, with all the talk of remembrance at this time;

100 years on, and what have we really learnt?

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86 Responses to 100 years on, and what have we learnt?

  1. Bighead1883 says:

    You certainly said it for me as well Truthy
    When Alec Campbell died a month after leading the ANZAC Day parade in Hobart so too did the moral compass of ANZAC Day for me
    I still went to two more dawn services in `03 and `04 but then I stopped because it had dawned on me “Who Am I Honouring”
    Alec Campbell took the Last Post of this memory with him in May 2002
    As for the rest Truthy,you covered it more than admirably because we all know it was not
    “The War To End All Wars”

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  2. Bighead1883 says:

    From WIKI and the Last ANZAC himself
    ——————————————————
    In the context of Campbell’s death, then Australian Prime Minister John Howard observed that Campbell was the last living link to that group of Australians that established the ANZAC legend. Howard also acknowledged that Gallipoli was “a story of great valour under fire, unity of purpose and a willingness to fight against the odds” and that Campbell “was the last known person anywhere in the world who served in that extraordinarily tragic campaign.”[2] Campbell never understood the intense public attention on his later life and his longevity, and was unhappy at times that he was lauded by conservative politicians who ignored his later union activity. After his death he received many tributes, including from Tasmanian Returned and Services League (RSL) State President Ian Kennett, who said that Mr Alec William Campbell was a great Australian and that he “led a full and happy life and put his energies, upon returning to Hobart, back into his career and family”.

    At some point between 1996 and 2002, as the ranks of Anzac survivors thinned and Campbell’s own health failed, his name rose to prominence. Assertive nationalist and martial forces sought to turn him into an icon as “the last of the Anzacs.” Campbell resisted the myth-making. He observed that there was nothing really extraordinary in being the last; rather, he pointed out the simple fact that he had been one of the youngest at Gallipoli.[5]

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  3. JohnB says:

    Well said Truthy, could not agree more.
    This year in particular I’ve become tired of the hypocrisy, the grandstanding politicians mouthing ‘pre-packaged’ words at us, the media trotting out what might as well be a re-runs of last years shallow ‘anzacary’ verbiage. All the time herding the population down the track towards yet another pointless un-winnable war in yet another remote country that has something industrialists need to secure (but must not mention); we are their on a humanitarian mission they say, to free the oppressed – but most know it’s a lie.
    The cut of our ‘allies should give the game away, a list that include some of the worlds most oppressive, cruel and untrustworthy regimes.
    Makes me wonder what a so called ‘victory’ would look like – when/how do we know when ‘the job’ is done?
    An exit strategy?… what’s that ?
    Just as well we’ve learned to celebrate untidy retreat.

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  4. melaine says:

    Well Truthie you’ve done it again 😉 porridge brain or not you certainly hit the spot with this effort and have once again ariculated thoughts not too far from my own 🙂

    I too find the commercialization of all things ANZAC off putting. And this year it seems to have been ramped up to turbo charge. I shudder to think what idiot boy will say when he opens his gob on the world stage this time O_o o_O

    I will be spending the day remembering the incredible sacrifice made by all those bright souls that were never given the chance to truly embrace life and love.

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    • melaine says:

      … okay i’ve put my teeth back in and here comes the ‘T’…. arTiculated… ahhh that’s better 😉

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Morning Mel 🙂 and thanks for that 😎

      Yes I too shudder at the thought of Abbott being our representative at anything international, and especially at this time and place 😡

      I wonder if he’ll try to blame Labor for all the deaths Gallipoli too 😈

      the mere thought of him makes me so angry these days 😡

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      • melaine says:

        Hey Truthie 🙂
        I seem to have developed Adult Onset Tourette’s… everytime the idiot appears I start shouting “You’re a F’ing Idiot” until vision of it disappears… even happening if I am just unfortunate enough to hear it’s voice without any vision…

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  5. SF says:

    100 years on, and what have we learnt?

    Thanks to the internet you can learn a great many things – not so by the corporately owned & controlled MSM, not known for opposing any war and certainly not Rupert.

    Politicians are using the Anzacs as a opportunity to push the Neo-Con agenda – to further reduce our civil freedoms towards the corporate run state.

    Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves.” ~ Herbert Marcuse

    We are no longer citizens, we no longer have leaders. We’re subjects, and we have rulers, ~ Snowden

    War is Peace – Freedom is Slavery – Ignorance is strength ~ Orwell

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Morning SF 🙂 and thanks for that 😎

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      • Judes says:

        Once again you have absolutely nailed it Truthy ! I am so OVA the glorification of war. !
        It seems now that ANZC day has become yet another commercial venture. It is certainly being used as a ploy to gain support for the Prime Moron we embarrassingly call our PM.
        Time to move on, remember the sacrifice of the ANZACs, the futility of war, and reject the ‘call to arms’ of the “Shit Happens” Abbott idiot .. Whose family ran away from war, took a subsidised trip, and arrived in Australia.
        I have friends from Oamaru who are attending a special service on Fraser Island today, by the wreck of the SS Maheno .. This NEW ZEALAND hospital ship, was at ANZAC Cove, and so saw service at Gallipoli. Was named after the little town of Maheno just Sth of Oamaru. The SS Maheno was wrecked off Fraser Isl when it was being towed from Australia to Japan and the tow line broke!
        They have the original ship’s bell on loan from the Maheno school (where they have retired it as the school bell), due to cracks it hasnt been rung for years. Seven kids from the Maheno school raised money so they could accompany the bell for the Fraser Isl ceremony.
        And in all of the comments, I have read today I see NOTHING that even mentions the words NEW ZEALAND .. Lest we forget, without NZ there is NO ANZAC .. 😦

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      • SF says:

        Have you read John Pilgers latest ?

        Australia’s Racist Assault on Aboriginal People, Anzac is also mentioned.

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/24/the-secret-country-again-wages-war-on-its-own-people/

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        • Bighead1883 says:

          Ta 4 the link and reading now

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        • Bighead1883 says:

          Pilger is out conscience 😦 and we should act 😯
          But boganism is in vogue 😡 especially in WA 😕

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          • SF says:

            We should act, the most sensible thing to do is public debate on these matters – engage the bogans and show them how the system is failing everyone, but the financial elite.

            I don’t expect that the status quo will allow us to prove them wrong, that’s why they control the MSM.

            Sue the ”heights” for not doing enough to prevent climate change — Free Trade Agreements are the blue prints for globalization which is ultimately and causing climate change.

            Fair Trade not Free Trade — renewable energies, not nuclear – everyone needs to say no to increased export of uranium including the digging of new holes in ground, which relates back to the forced removal of Aboriginal people from their own lands !

            f.e. The AU masses are not up to date — no thanks to the MSM — Even before the LNP electricity privatization scheme began — Germans were already trying hard to reverse the privatization of their electricity grid — http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/16959-berlin-and-hamburg-referenda-to-reverse-electricity-grid-privatization.

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            • Bighead1883 says:

              Aboriginal Embassy ‏@TentEmbassy2015 29s29 seconds ago
              Remembering the undeclared frontier wars. People appalled & appreciated the remembrance.Police didn’t. #LestWeForget

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              • driftwood12 says:

                The exchange between Fred Hooper and police was caught on vid and the story of it available on New Matilda.
                We let the Viet Cong live and march here. And others. But a tidy group including indigenous servicemen cant march at the end of the parade to also acknowledge the frontier wars which epitimises from where we’ve come and the quality that has been our servicemen of first people. For our own and the battle for inclusion and dragging themselves out of disposession, racism and hell of social turmoil, this country , for love and pride and truth and healing , does’nt let them march. The spearhead of conciliation and pride to stand up and include in self determination thwarted by racist and minority domination. I am utterly ashamed.
                Sorry my arse.

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            • Reflections on ANZAC Day 2015
              What have we have learned from the pointless suffering and death in the wastelands of the “War to End War”? Very little if we are to judge from the pious humbug and hypocrisy of the present.

              101 years ago Australia was still a country looking to a better future.

              Instead of carrying forward the youthful optimism and aspirations of that ruined generation we inherited their trauma and loss. These have been passed from each succeeding generation to the next through a century of incessant violence. Countless men and women broken by war have been too damaged to nurture their families. “The sins of the fathers” have indeed been visited and revisited on the children.

              A pandemic of disillusionment, anxiety disorders and depression characterises today’s materially wealthy but unequal society.

              Now we are a country that looks to the past whilst failing to learn even from our own history. A 19th Century past of masters and servants, of bigotry, poverty and inequality beckons.

              Perhaps Lee Kwuan Yew was right. Perhaps Australians are becoming the poor white trash of Asia.

              What happened to the bright confident egalitarian vision of the Common Wealth of Australia that peacefully removed its colonial chains without bloodshed in 1901?

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              • melaine says:

                Hey Philgorman 🙂

                Very eloquently put and sadly so true…

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              • Truth Seeker says:

                Morning Phil 🙂 and thanks for those reflections 😎

                And I can only agree 😦

                Cheers 🙂

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              • driftwood12 says:

                Wealthy corporates have few borders. That aspect birthed into a bigger entity and wider fields with the first WW. Poor educations, slow ,awkward communications, overpopulation in misbalanced areas of markets, religion, race and language and culture clashed head on. On another level of profit and opportunism, the greed vultures thrived and we stepped into a quickstep of advancing by science and technology.
                That crowd and force are stronger than ever. Opportunistic, power and greed mad vultures . They span the globe at will and grow. The human framework of management no longer fits with eco biorythums. Humans trashed Africa’s potentials. Reviving them the only hope and living off the wild as much as possible. Herd and nature preservation and planning. But then you have Murdochs crowd assailing for quick hits non stop.

                Man may survive to repair Earth and survive somewhere in the universe but there’ll be a lot of culling or science cunning sorting humans after capacity. Communal shower invitations at 35 yrs of age. Unless your upstairs with the pack.
                A lot of people and countries still to fail or be swept up or left to rot. You’ve all only got each other and that turned to poo with wealth and opportunity disparity some years ago.
                And heights floated the country on the stock exchange some years ago.

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              • SF says:

                Phil
                While Australian politicians are bending over backwards to accommodate the demands of the US and her deceptively termed Free Trade Agreements – It will be more than likely that Australians are becoming the poor trash of Asia – The elimination of the middle class – In the future, people will either be very rich or very poor.

                The extremely sad state of affairs in the US is setting a very bad example to follow – If we can already see how bad things are in the US why are Australian politicians embracing US policies?

                Everything that’s happening in the US is the direct result of Neo-Liberalism – Or – Putting corporate profits well above the health and well being of the electorate and that of the environment for that matter – Which pretty much sums up the ever so contradictory policies of the LNP.

                Henry A. Giroux | Domestic Terrorism, Youth and the Politics of Disposability

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                • driftwood12 says:

                  It’s much bigger than just the US SF. A lot of global hands and powers , very organised, in this.
                  We only see the sheep fodder. Was just reading the Clintons have made undeclared mega millions backdooring Russia into major shareholdings in a US uranium company in Canada over some years. It’s got the hate and fear Russia capitalist crowd cheer squad on pills.
                  Been happening while everybody sleeps and media doesnt tell.
                  I’m guessing too many would be kings are eager to warm their and descendent line hearths and pockets with nuclear power stations. Another 1000 yrs of what their brats are wearing in hollywood i guess.

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      • SF says:

        US Israeli crap? = Quickly including clause in the TPP/TTIP fast track application that will penalize nations for boycotting Israel.

        Any nation intending to boycott Israel over the treatment of Palestinians will face stiff penalties.

        A permit to commit humanitarian crimes, another excellent reason to oppose the TPP.

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        • Bighead1883 says:

          This is what they`re putting on Buses in New York City
          It truly is the Zionist States of America

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          • SF says:

            Sees this one?

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              • Bighead1883 says:

                SF
                I feel disgusted by a person like Murdoch who promotes all the censorship of Israeli atrocities globally and has his hand in picking our country`s leaders
                This total crime done by globalists who are in the majority Zionists have crept into every Nation`s psyche and play Nationalism like a fiddle whilst creating false flags of terror

                This was done in the past of course but “us” the plebs were not aware of the oligarchal incestuousness of it all
                Social media and the net has educated so many so fast and lets hope it`s been fast enough to stop this globalisation and the ending of our freedoms

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                • Bighead1883 says:

                  Issue 35, April, 2002

                  Rupert Murdoch’s televised statements on Israel

                  THIS is how Mike Bloomberg decided to go for the gold at City Hall. Last spring, he asked Ed Koch what it was like to be mayor of New York. [. . .]

                  “Mayor Mike related the story at the 25th anniversary dinner of the Jewish Community Relations Council at the Plaza Hotel, where JCRC president introduced him as Mayor Mordechai. And how did Koch become mayor?

                  “He said that in 1977 the editors of the New York Post interviewed the seven candidates. Koch stood sixth in the polls. A week later his phone rang. “Is Congressman Koch home?” “Who’s calling,” Koch asked. “Rupert.”

                  “Rupert? . . . Rupert? . . . doesn’t sound Jewish to me.”

                  “Murdoch proceeded to inform the candidate that the next day’s New York Post would endorse him on the front page.

                  “Rupert,” Koch replied, “you just elected me mayor of New York.”

                  What was extraordinary, Koch said, was that in his 12 years in office, the media mogul never once asked for favors. Along with Murdoch, JCRC honored Deputy Mayor Dennis Walcott, former head of the New York Urban League, and Jessica Bibliowicz, president of National Financial Partners and daughter of Joan and Sanford Weill of Citicorp.
                  Sharon, Murdoch”Murdoch told of the time he took a group of editors from New York and London for a weekend at Ariel Sharon’s ranch. Sharon took them on a bird’s-eye tour of Israel aboard a helicopter gunship, flying over the Golan Heights, West Bank and settlements.

                  “We saw the vulnerability of the country,” Murdoch said. “Not all New York newspapers feel the cause of Israel is all the news that’s fit to print,” he added.

                  Gov. George Pataki praised the publisher [Murdoch]: “There is no newspaper in the U.S. more supportive of Israel than the New York Post.”

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                • SF says:

                  Well stated, All Zionist are Neo-Cons and Murdoch is a Neo-Con of the highest order – in light of certain recent events – no doubt he’s willingly allowing his media empire to plant articles & opinion prepared by alphabet soup, and other think tanks.

                  Social media is on notice – no wonder they only allow 140 characters on twitter, not enough for me, one sentence is 100 characters already.

                  This one is worth tweeting – https://www.popularresistance.org/pro-israel-clause-added-to-trade-debate-unanimously/

                  Liberland looks interesting, just so small – least you can get there by boat 😉

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                • Bighead1883 says:

                  US has AIPAC we have AIJAC and people have not freakin idea what`s about to happen.
                  Australian Vet Affairs is already been sold to an Transnational from Zionamerica and things were bad for them will only get worse
                  Medicare and the PBS are next followed by pensions DSP and child welfare-all to be privatised

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          • driftwood12 says:

            Some things go too far.
            10 years ago i wrote that Israel had better be careful when the world doesnt need the oil base to the middle east as they’d be on their own. Though the anger at religious fanatics is high and at the business and banker and citizen standing in world direction and situation in money and power heights, most of Israels people are no different or better off than us as far as having a say in govt, direction, moral or military and global intelligence and action on matters. Including fiscal intelligence and action in the region.
            The region is that high in hate and fear and bloodthirsty viscious lunatics and feral humans , religion fanatics and corporate opportunism its a basket case.
            2000 yrs ago someone showed the way on the only middle road path and they tortured and crucified him for practicing and preaching it.
            Everytime someone gets a hold to manage the gateway to Africa, someone bowls them over or keeps pulling the rug out from under them. Was going on 5000 yrs ago.
            Mark Antony copped it ftom his brother in law.
            A country that could pour in an endless flow, meat,fowl, jewels and metals, exotic furs and feathers, leather, fish and fruits and beautiful women and slaves for the taking for centuries. Abominated by an all in brawl for thousands of years.
            Then came oil in the gateway.
            Opportunists. The cup of Christ.
            An old mate, Alan Goldsmith. Engineer. Had sat in the grain storage holes dug over there. Our soldiers made use of them in the war, steps going down. The names of knights were inscribed in the walls from the crusades and other of the times graffiti. Still there and their shields insigia drawn in the walls. One piece said this land is cursed and Alan agreed.
            Alan later went to New Guinea and served. He used to black out from the pain in his ears every time they flew over the Own Stanley ranges. The war left him deaf.

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  6. bilko says:

    Well said Thruthy from this young lad evacuated from London during the last world conflict, what have we learnt was the question and the answer is NOTHING.

    Our present idiot leader very trying that he is, spending money like a drunken sailor to “celebrate” the event but at home depriving their descendants and their families of the simple things to live on makes my stomach churn. The diggers looking down from above would be thinking what the hell, it is now a media circus and the clowns are still running the show.

    By the way I was wondering if by any chance we ever saw each other at Finsbury park in those post war days. I lived in Camden road ,Holloway until I left home in 1957, small world really.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hey Bilko 🙂 thanks mate 🙂

      My dad was also evacuated from London, and you’re right, it is a small world, although I was not born until 1955, so the odds are the more than likely you might have met my parents, as my Dad came from The Angel Islington, and my Mum came from Findsbury Park, not far from Seven Sisters Road. 😯

      We lived only a few minutes walk from the park, and I often went down there with my Mum 😀

      I still remember the “Punch and Judy” puppet theatre there 😀

      Cheers 🙂

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  7. Dee says:

    Thanks, Truthy. You worded it perfectly. We have learnt nothing and furthermore seem to be going backwards in striving for peace. Anzac Day has indeed evolved into a celebration of war and a “must do” on people’s social calendar. There is a lot of peer pressure to attend the various services and events in town. If the fallen could see what’s happening today, I’m sure they would cringe. I feel sad that they were duped out of their lives and especially for their families’ needless loss. Remembrance Day is enough as it remembers the fallen from all wars. I don’t suppose the “war coverage” will be over until after the Monday public holiday. Abbott’s day in the limelight willbe finally over. Luckily there’s lots of gardening and other stuff to do as I won’t be watching any of it.

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  8. Florence nee Fedup says:

    The message I remember from Anzac a kid was they did not want. To talk about it All they said, there is no glory in war. Only stupity. One should remember nut not glorify as is happening now.

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  9. Frank Ston says:

    Yet again Truthy, thank you for your timely expression on behalf of all those of us less gifted with words.
    I abhor the celebration of war but I like to respect the memory of those who paid the ultimate price.
    Not the private school educated, military college trained professional twits, but the retailers, farm hands, mechanics and the nurses that did it for morally sustainable reasons.
    I’ve just heard Biskin’s address at the Gallipoli dawn service. He mentioned the arrival on the peninsula of the Australian and New Zealand personnel, but failed to mention the British, French, Indian, Dutch and Canadian troops that fought and died on Gallipoli. ANZAC troops lost in battle on the peninsula were only 25% of the allied losses, approx. 11,000 out of 44,000. The Turks lost 82,000 killed.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hey Frank 🙂 thanks mate 😎

      Yes I agree there are plenty of un sung heros in war, and there are few of the professional twits, and politicians that fit that category, from all wars, and especially from this current mob of mendacious miscreants 😈

      Hope you’re having a good day mate 🙂

      Cheers 🙂

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  10. consider says:

    Top effort mate. AS usual you nailed it.
    Cheers all.

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  11. Gilly says:

    Thank you Truthy for expressing my feelings so well. I am not ANZAC’d out but to me all the emphasis this year has been made worse by the sacrilege of it being just another dog whistle to cover for Abbott. Someone who is purposely raping the nation and its future.

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  12. HO says:

    Eloquently put Truthy. Once again you hit the nail on the head.

    This hymn by a Kiwi is in a similar vein. The third verse caused a bit of a ruckus when it was first written.
    Hymn for ANZAC Day
    Honour the dead, our country’s fighting brave,
    honour our children left in foreign grave,
    where poppies blow and sorrow seeds her flowers,
    honour the crosses marked forever ours.

    Weep for the places ravaged with our blood,
    weep for the young bones buried in the mud,
    weep for the powers of violence and greed,
    weep for the deals done in the name of need.

    Honour the brave whose conscience was their call,
    answered no bugle, went against the wall,
    suffered in prisons of contempt and shame,
    branded as cowards, in our country’s name.

    Weep for the waste of all that might have been,
    weep for the cost that war has made obscene,
    weep for the homes that ache with human pain,
    weep that we ever sanction war again.

    Honour the dream for which our nation bled,
    held now in trust to justify the dead,
    honour their vision on this solemn day:
    peace known in freedom, peace the only way.
    Music: © Colin Gibson 2005 Words: © Shirley Erena Murray
    Tune: ANZAC 2005

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hey HO 🙂 thanks for that 😎 and what powerful lyrics 🙂

      Sorry I couldn’t get back to you sooner, but I got caught up watching my all time favourite war movie “The Dam Busters”, and then tea and some rare time with SWMBO 😯

      Cheers 🙂

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  13. gothik2011 says:

    There is an artist named Richard Drew who has made huge posters which read
    Real Australians welcome you. They are available for sale for 40$.

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  14. My Grandfather fought at Gallipoli, landing at Suvla Bay with the British Army.

    I remember a man who never left the farm if could help it. A morose man of few words and violent temper who was kind and patient with me if not to his own wife and seven children.

    He did tell a couple of funny stories about patrolling the red light district of Alexandria and how unseen Turkish artillery men allowed him and his men to toil all day in the hot sun building field kitchens and ovens before blasting his work to pieces. All his men were spared. The worst they got from the Turks was laughter and cat-calls.

    He had a great fondness and respect for the Turks, and believed Britain and Germany should never have gone to war.

    Two things I learned from him:
    People are people.
    War is ghastly futile waste.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Yes Phil, most involved in wars are damaged at some level, and sadly there are no winners 😦

      And you are right,war is a ghastly, futile waste!

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    • Florence nee Fedup says:

      Yes, one many times soldiers in a place they should never been. Yes, men willing to do what they felt needed to be done, not seeking, or I suspect wanting glory. A great message that should be lost in attempts by some to use it to their own political ends. Prince Charles, I believe might have got it right.

      We must be ever vigilant, alert and questioning whenever our leaders lead us into another war. This is the respect we owe the Anzacs and all that followed in their footsteps.

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    • driftwood12 says:

      There may be some understanding between in the blood. Thousands of children were herded to pilgramage to Jerusalem and shiploads were rounded up by the Turks and carted home as slaves. Some thought the place was overcrowded and comfort was in a stream out of Africa. All had ties and claims.
      Wealth does funny things to people. Christ passed onto Rome a well fare system that supercharged nations governence and survivability. Made all one and no longer making turmoil of cruelty and enemies within.
      As now, many here comfortable enough and the system stacked in their favour to not need anyone else. But while heights opportunes alone with disdain looking down, the people are still to gather under old times that dont exist anymore in case heights needs their comfort defended or a profitable squirmish arises.
      Its like changing from anologue to digital. Murdocracy is still dizzy and only knows the old ways and scams and bad habits. Emporers with no clothes.
      The country calls me son when killing and dying must be done.

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  15. Bighead1883 says:

    Robina Creaser ‏@sharpfang 4m4 minutes ago
    US Key Man in Syria Worked Closely with ISIL and Jabhat al-Nusra
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piN_MNSis1E … $Syria #auspol #tcot #uniteblue
    Who is the Enemy?

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  16. Dee says:

    It seems that most of our comments above would be regarded as “despicable” and if we worked for SBS, we’d all get the sack. The LNP warmongers would like everyone to jump on board and assist with the warmongering effort. It’s getting more and more like fascism every day.

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  17. Dee says:

    I would too Truthy. I think some of his comments might be too truthful for some people’s comfort.

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      • driftwood12 says:

        I think it’s a thing of the right to keep portraying those who wish our lowers problems addressed before others and displaying drongos as from public housing Biggy.
        Mass immigration is a right push. Covering up the hell and abuse of it on millions here for more than a decade of their lives is also a thing of the right and humanity has nothing to do with any of it. It’s like reviving the holocaust and pictures of it everytime the arms industry wants to play. But i get your point of tactics.
        I watch the feeds and my own getting served up travelling the net. I havent seen a tv except for glances for years.

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  18. driftwood12 says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=erO1ytrUGeI
    This is how Japan was able to go to war. Covered up for 70 years. The vid is an hr long but up until a British lord is questioned by mi5 gives the gist.
    This is what birthed the modern arms industry. This is a reason for our dead , horror and pains of the 2nd ww.

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