PNG… What will be the consequences for Abbott and Milne?

PNG… What will be the consequences for Abbott and Milne?

My last post asked the question “So Tony, where do you go from here?”

abbott1Well the answer may well be that Rudd’s PNG solution leaves both Abbott and Milne with nowhere left to go, as the early reports from Indonesian people smugglers and their victims indicate that it is already having an impact on those considering the “Boat” option.

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Christine Milne, Hypocrite. (Photo credit: Greens MPs)

Now if it works, as the early indications are that it will, then not only will it leave them with nowhere to go, but it also will show that the responsibility for what has happened since Abbott and Milne voted down the Malaysian solution, rests fairly and squarely on their shoulders.

How, you may ask, can I make that determination?

Well, most of the criticism for the Malaysian solution, from the LNP, came from the fact that there were only going to be 800 places in the swap arrangements.

And the argument was that those places would be filled in a matter of weeks.

Now I argued at the time that if the Malaysian solution was implemented, I had serious doubts that there would be more than a relative handful that would be prepared to risk the trip, only to be returned from whence they came,  before the realisation set in that it was a complete waste of time and money to trust the people smugglers.

And contrary to the LNP spin, logic would dictate that the people smugglers would be pushing the ‘proverbial’ up hill to find 800 asylum seekers prepared to sacrifice their money, their futures and possibly their lives for the sake of securing the people smugglers own business model.

So my contention at the time was that I doubted that more than one or two boats would make the trip, before they ran out of clients, meaning that at most 300 to 400 asylum seekers would end up back in Malaysia, out of the 800 places allocated.

So let’s leave the spin for the LNP, and add some basic logic to the situation, and see what the possible scenarios are.

  1. Those genuine refugees that are happy to settle anywhere that’s safe, may well take the chance of a boat, but it would make more sense to apply directly to PNG, rather than risk life and limb.
  2. There may be some that will not have heard of the new rules, and as a consequence get on a boat, and end up on Manus Island, or dead.
  3. The people smugglers may fool some into believing that the Aus government is bluffing, but that won’t last long, as the word will soon get around that they’re not.
  4. That the boats stop altogether in a very short period of time, proving the LNP and the sceptics completely wrong

Now IMHO these are the most likely scenarios, but there is also the possibility that the boats will keep coming unabated, as the LNP hope, but I seriously doubt that that would happen, as it relies on the asylum seekers putting their lives in jeopardy, and spending a large sum of money on a trip to end up somewhere close to their departure point, and somewhere other than their preferred destination, if they are lucky enough to arrive at all.

There is also the possibility of a court challenge from the do-gooder advocate lawyers, who caused the problem for the Malaysian solution in the first place.

I do think though that the government, being burnt the first time, would have done their homework, and I would be very surprised if they haven’t made sure that the problems identified by the first decision have been well and truly addressed in this arrangement.

So, if one or a combination of my most likely scenarios come to fruition, then there will almost undoubtedly be some political consequences for the LNP and the greens.

For the LNP;

  1. Their lies and spin on this and other issues will be brought into question.
  2. Whatever credibility they may have had on their asylum seeker policy will be gone.
  3. They will be seen as the party who see the lives of asylum seekers as politically expedient, for the greater good… THEIRS!
  4. People will know that the reason that they refused point blank to compromise on the Malaysian solution, was not because they were concerned for the welfare of asylum seekers in Indonesia, who they declared were not signatories to the refugee convention, but rather that they knew that there was a good chance that it would actually work, blowing holes in their already shaky policy platform.images

The greens, on the other hand, cried foul, pretty much as they are now, stating that it was unfair, inhumane treatment, etc etc, completely ignoring the fact that the de-facto on-shore policy that we had (and that they wanted) was not working, and the number of boats and drownings continued to grow.

imagesSo they, whist claiming such care and concern for these desperate souls, also took the line of political expediency, albeit for ideological reasons, and voted with the LNP against changing the laws to allow the Malaysian solution to at least get tried.

Both these party’s also rejected the recommendations of the Houston panel, of experts, because they determined that they “Knew Better?”   WTF?

They both spewed forth copious amounts of spin, again ignoring the fact that the brief of the panel was not to be inhumane, or to get either the LNP or the greens off side, but rather to find a set of compromises that might just stop people drowning at sea.

But in their usual fashion, both the rabid right and the rabid left  “chose” to lose sight of the destination, for the sake of following their own political agendas, and we have all witnessed the results of that intransigence.

So for the greens, the political fall out may well result in a feeling in the wider community;

  1. That they were prepared to risk deaths at sea for the sake of political intransigence.
  2. That they cried crocodile tears over lives lost whilst waving their ideology like some flag of righteousness, and blaming the government for what will be seen, by many, as their own level of culpability.
  3. That they do not deserve the level of support that they may otherwise have received, if they had been willing to compromise for the sake of helping to solve the problem rather than just being another part of the problem.

Only time will tell how this all plays out, and I am not claiming to have some great insight into the future, only trying to look at a very complex and difficult situation with a measure of logic and common sense.

The one thing that I am sure of though, is that if the PNG solution starts to reduce the number of boats and, given a fair go, I’m reasonably confident that it will, then it will be a fair indicator that the Malaysian solution would have also worked, meaning that many lives would have been saved if the LNP and the greens had not been playing their petty, political games.

Therefore, there will be electoral consequences for both the LNP and the greens, as it will be increasingly difficult for either of them to justify their previous positions, although I’d imagine they will continue to try.

So the question is;

“PNG… What will be the consequences for Abbott and Milne?”

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113 Responses to PNG… What will be the consequences for Abbott and Milne?

  1. kate ahearne says:

    Hi Truthie,
    I’m trying again to post a comment. The comment situation definitely looks different, and I did fill in all the requirements, but this time I’ve clicked the wordpress icon, so here we go again.

    I think this is one of your best. This is very tricky ground, and you’ve covered it with commonsense, and as you say, logic. And, I believe, aplomb.

    I’ve noticed over the weekend that there are lots of strident voices screaming ‘cruelty’ and other such stuff. Just listening to AM as I’m writing this, and wanting to throw my radio out the window.

    Tony Abbott who, at first, supported the PNG move, has now back-tracked. He’s a dill, as we know, but he’ll inflict as much damage as he can.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hi Kate, thanks for your perseverance, 😀 and your comment 😎

      I also thank you for your gracious assessment of this piece 😀

      It is a difficult area to handle, and there will always be detractors, but I believe that if all the spin, lies and scare mongering is removed, we might be able to have the necessary conversation, and a fair and reasonable outcome for all concerned. 😯

      But first of all we need the LNP and the greens to stop playing their political games, and to stop people drowning at sea! 😦

      Cheers 😀

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  2. Joy Cooper says:

    100% correct, TS. & you have hit the nail, far & square, on the head. Neither party give a toss for the awful problems of “deaths at sea” or the grasping people smugglers or, even worse, the plight of the desperate asylum seekers using such means to reach Australia. Both knew that the Malaysian Solution could work & the flow of asylum seeking refugees would drastically reduce but decided to play cutesy & continue to pretend that there would be no reductions in the flow at all.

    Same here with the agreement with PNG. One thing they cannot use as an excuse for their egregious behaviour is that PNG is not a signatory to the UN refugee charter because they are. So, now, for their own political expediency they are traducing a whole country by calling it a “hellhole” “third world cesspit” “lawless” “malaria & cholera hotspot” (Indonesia isn’t??) etc ad nauseum. They paint pictures of huge waves of asylum seekers descending on a “primitive” monocultural Christian land thereby creating all sorts of chaos.

    The detention hellholes created here in Australia by Howard, Vanstone & Ruddock did nothing to stop the poor asylum seekers being dumped on Ashmore Reef, with its contaminated & cholera infected water wells, by the uncaring people smugglers. It is duplicitous to say that it stopped the boats. What stopped the boats was a change in world circumstances which have since changed once more creating another tsunami of asylum seekers.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Joy, thanks for your comment 😎 and support 😀

      I really believe that this situation is much too serious to be just a political plaything for the mendacious Abbott and Milne/SHY.

      They have added nothing to the conversation other than their own brands of political dummy spits, cos they didn’t get their own way;
      In the case of the LNP the reigns of government, and in the case of the greens, their own short sighted and impractical policy that says just throw open the flood gates and see what happens! 😯

      Sadly the number of fatalities keeps growing and the dummy spits, lies and spin keep coming.

      what you say joy is spot on, and the LNP and the greens either need to get real, or they need to get out of the way. 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  3. Gospel according to Mark says:

    Thanks TS for another considered piece.The support you get from other writers is comforting!

    Does anyone know what the status of any successful asylum seekers, resettled in PNG would be. I presume they would be granted some form of permanent residency. Would they then not be able to apply for immigration to Australia under our normal ( and hopefully increased ) Immigration Scheme? If not I think there would have to a specific reference to such a restriction in any documents signed with PNG. I’m not sure how that would stack up under law!

    It will be interesting see what actually happens “on the ground ” as this policy beds in. Wouldn’t it be good if the media could let that happen, then report, rather than what they will do which will be dissect every possible negative possibility!

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hi mark 😀 and thanks for your feedback 😎

      I’m not sure that any have actually been resettled in PNG as yet, but it will be interesting to watch as these things unfold 😀

      There has been so much hysteria since the announcement of this arrangement, and Milne is certainly living up to my expectations 😯

      This morning on the ABC, she spouted her usual crap, and then the first question that she was asked was about the number of asylum seekers who have already said that they will no longer try coming to Aus by boat, and her reply was “It wont work” WTF? she is looking and sounding very much like the black knight in monty pythons “Search for the holy grail” When after having his arms cut off he states “It’s only a flesh wound!” 😦

      I said to my wife this morning that I doubt that there will be more than a few hundred that end up in PNG, and the three thousand place upgrade to accommodation will not be needed or realised.

      It will be interesting to see how my prediction stands up, if the PNG solution gets a fair go.

      Cheers ;grin:

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  4. Sandra says:

    Yes Truthie, you certainly have hit the nail on the head as Joy Cooper has said.
    People just need to now calm down and wait and see the effect it should have. Just saving peoples lives from drowning at sea should be the main concern for anyone who cares about humanity.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Sandra, if you haven’t posted here before, then welcome 😀 and thanks for your comment 😎

      Yes I think that there is a lot of panic behind all the hysteria, and they all just need to focus on the real issue, as you so correctly pointed out “Just saving peoples lives from drowning at sea should be the main concern for anyone who cares about humanity.” 😯 And very well said. 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  5. Fed up says:

    The boats might stop coming, but I suspect the Oppositions talking the scheme down will be more effective. Yes, the best friend of the smugglers, is now Abbott and Morrison.

    The same outcome, as their continual talking down of the economy.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Fed up , I know that they have already started, but I think that the momentum is with the government on this one, and Abbott is starting to panic, as they LNP start breaking ranks, as Turnbull did when he said that he thinks it will work.

      And if you listen to Abbott and his cheer squad they are now saying that it won’t work because Rudd won’t be able to implement it. 😯

      It is clear that they are worried because if, as the early indications show, the PNG sloution is working, then he is left high and dry. 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  6. Thank you for a clear statement on the politics of this vexewd matter. Those who want a solution are refusing to see the “big picture” of Millions of displaced people world-wide. All we can do is try to fix a problem we have here in our corner of the world. By rejecting all “Boat People” but accepting more pre-processed refugees we solve the drownings at sea problem and significantly reduce the number of refugees in Indonesia. The number going to PNG will never be large as they would need to choose to pay money to get on a boat which may sink or may lead them on a path to PNG. So PNG will never see the floods of refugees we have seen here in Australia.

    The initial news reports from the coal face (as opposed to opinionistas and the politically involved) is that the refugees themselves will stop booking standing space on leaky boats and the People Smugglers see their business model going down the gurgler.

    I do have the obvious reservation that this is a political solution but then, I do have to accepot that ALL decisions made in Canberra are political decisions.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Archiearchive, thanks for your comment and kind words 😀 and I agree with all you have said. 😀

      Yes the MSM and the LNP and greens are getting more and more hysterical, whist ignoring the facts. 😯

      Anyone looking at this vexed issue with a modicum of clear thinking would come to the conclusion that political expedience has taken over from what will actually work.

      Both the LNP and the greens, along with the do-gooder brigade should hang their heads in shame, as they clamour for dibs on the lowest place in the gutter, whilst claiming such care and concern for their fellow man 😦

      Forget “Stop the boats”, let’s “STOP THE DROWNINGS.” 😉

      Cheers 😀

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  7. cornlegend says:

    Truthy.
    Like you, I hope this works.
    The Greens total inflexibility, and Abbotts NON policy of turn em back and let them sink is no solution.
    You have to give Rudd, and the PNG PM Peter Oneill, full points for at least proposing SOMETHING.
    I good article mate,
    You always just seem to have that sensible approach [where I get a bit hot headed.
    You are a very calming soul Truthy.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      cornie, thanks mate 😀

      I just get so pissed off with the rabid right and rabid left playing their games at the expense of clear thinking and common sense. 😦

      They ignore the fact that people are dying, cos they think that it’s all about them 😯

      Self servants, not public servants. 👿

      Cheers 😀

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  8. 2gravel says:

    Truth Seeker
    I’ve been avoiding media, both written and spoken, and blogs that have been written on this as there is so much rubbish about this. Please note, I didn’t avoid yours as I knew you would be sensible about the whole thing and you are. Spot on. We now wait and see.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Gravel, thanks for that 😀 I really appreciate your kind words, sentiment and support 😎

      It’s because of all my fine commenters and supporters like you, that I feel inspired to put forward my point of view, so when I thank you for your comments, it’s because I really do appreciate them. 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  9. nasking says:

    Good stuff TS…yer valuable posts are well-timed. Two thumbs up.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Nas mate, thanks for your comment and support 😎 I greatly appreciate it, as always 😀 and right back at yer 😀

      Give my best to “S” mate, and keep up the good work 😎

      Cheers 😀

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  10. nasking says:

    BTW, when I was on Cafe Whispers the contributor CATCHING UP was putting together a list of wasteful spending and screw ups by the Howard govt…you might want to ask them if they still have that list…others are around to. ABBOTT luvs to push the idea the Coalition are great economic managers…but all they do is neglect and get us into crap and costly projects…forcing a later ALP govt to pick up the pieces and spend to deal with the neglect. If they were so brill then why did their system lead to ABC CHILDCARE collapsing? The expensive F-35? Currency losses of nigh on two billion? Housing prices thru the roof leading to lack of affordability? Was it eight interest rate rises in a row? How much money wasted on their wars kowtowing to GW Bush? COSTELLO and Alan Jones urging investors and Superannuants into dodgy investments that went kaput during the GFC? The Regional Rorts Scheme? Etc etc.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Mate as ever you are right on the money, 😀 and I have seen a few lists like that, so I will keep my eyes open for that one, I’m sure it will be in their archives somewhere 😀

      Thanks again mate 😀

      Cheers ;grin:

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  11. bundysmum says:

    Thank you for putting this case so well, I am reading so much histrionic garbage in the MSM, much of it from the greens, anyone would thing these people were going to end up in purgatory or worse.But when you read the commentary from the usual suspects there is never one word about the poor buggers who have drowned, only the endless carry on about cruelty etc.

    Such a sensible post from you, I am most gratefull that your commentary and reasoning are out there for all to read.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Bundysmum, thanks for your comment 😎 and kind words, 😀

      Yes their crocodile tears get a bit wearing at times, when some honesty and clear thinking would serve them better 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  12. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    In regard to smilies,
    There is a wonderful “how to” page at
    https://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com
    your response to nasking went awry 🙂

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  13. orangefox says:

    TruthSeeker,
    The on problem with the Malaysian solution was that the 800 was not high enough. It really needed a figure of 3000. What the people smugglers could have done is to keep sending the boats but not charging the refugees therefore breaking the solution.
    This PNG plan is far better. The whole idea of it is to automatically weed out the non genuine refugees. It’s clever.
    I see the Libs are busy trying to undermine the plan. Indeed they may as well join the people smugglers. I hope people see through the Libs as it almost amounts to treason.
    I think the Greens are chasing extra votes from the refugee community. Another self serving political party and I am very disappointed in them.
    I was a believer in them once and they have some good ideas but they are way off on this issue.
    Glad you enjoyed my sketch. I don’t think I will offend anyone with it. Just a bit on light hearted fun. I can repost it here as well if you want me to.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      orangefox, thanks for your comment 😀

      I don’t actually subscribe to the idea that 800 was not enough, as I truly believe that the people smugglers would have had real trouble filling boats after the first couple, but we will soon know if the PNG solution gets a fair go, because if they only get a few hundred, then that will be the answer, and I suspect that that will be the case 😯

      I think there are many like you that are disappointed in the greens, and for very good reason. 😦

      And I would be more than happy for you to repost you sketch here 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  14. Caz2 says:

    Don’t forget this is three pronged response.no visas for Iranians in Indonesia and a bounty for conviction of people smugglers. Let us hope genuine refugees will now join the queue and wait their turn. After all, it is irresponsible to risk your children’s lives .Abbott’s continual bleating about stopping the boats,without a word on how he will do this is becoming annoying. Of course the best he can do Is knock the only PLAN that has the capacity to work. Bleeding hearts are fine,but solutions are better. This is a deterrent for smugglers as well as the boat people. It will also stop the destruction of visas. Now all we need to do is stop the arrivals by plane. Any suggestions?

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Caz2, thanks for your comment 😎 “Bleeding hearts are fine,but solutions are better.” great line that says it all 😀

      I don’t think that stopping plane arrivals will be easy either, as most of those overstay their visas, and then have to be tracked down, but the main issue for me is the deaths at sea, and hopefully that will stop very soon 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  15. Fed up says:

    Wonder how the shootings in the western and southern suburbs os Sydney, compare with those in the streets of Port Morseby,]

    One of those shootings was outside a house I once live in. A quiet and respectable suburb.

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  16. my say says:

    their is no easy policy to the asylum seeker situation,if the PNG policy works as it is supposed to ,
    that is to save lives lost at sea,then the only ones to loose will be the smugglers and the coalition,and the greens

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      My say, thanks for your comment 😀

      And that’s dead right, it’s the coalition and the greens that have lost sight of the real issue. 😦 But the worst of all is that it seems to be a conscious decision that they made to go for political expediency rather than saving lives. 👿

      Cheers 😀

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  17. orangefox says:

    JUST ANOTHER DAY AT THE AUSTRALIAN CUSTOMS DEPARTMENT:
    The story of the MV Abbouttosink.

    (ring… ring … ring…)

    CUSTOM OFFICIAL – “Hello, this is Grant from the Australian Border Protection Service. What can I do for you”?
    CAPTAIN MOHAMED – “Goodday mate, we would like to book a rescue for tommorrow”.
    OFFICIAL – “Could I start with your name please?”
    CAPTAIN – “Knock knock”.
    OFFICIAL – (sigh) “Who’s there”?
    CAPTAIN – “Mohamed”.
    OFFICIAL – “Mohamed who”?
    CAPTAIN – “Mohamed of the Sea Breeze Inn”.
    OFFICIAL – “What is your address please”?
    CAPTAIN – “Locker 21 of Row 3 at the Sea Breeze Ferry Terminal”.
    OFFICIAL – “And your date of birth please”?
    CAPTAIN – “1st of the 4th of 1999”.
    OFFICIAL – “OK, How can I help you today”?
    CAPTAIN – “We want to book a rescue for tommorow at 2pm AEST”.
    OFFICIAL – “That is still 16 hours away. How do you know you will need to be rescued so far in advance”?
    CAPTAIN – “Because we have planned it that way”.
    OFFICIAL – “I see. Where are you at the moment”?
    CAPTAIN – “At the dock loading the cargo”.
    OFFICIAL – “So you are safe at the moment”?
    CAPTAIN – “Yes, at the moment”.
    OFFICIAL – “So why don’t you stay where you are and remain safe”?
    CAPTAIN – “Because we have promised many people that we are going and they have paid us heaps to do so”.
    OFFICIAL – “Well you could give them their money back and not go”.
    CAPTAIN – “We are honorable business people and our product guarantees satisfaction, plus we have a no refunds or returns policy”.
    OFFICIAL – “I see. I suppose that makes sense. So you have no choice”?
    CAPTAIN – “That’s right. No choice”.
    OFFICIAL – “What then is the name of your vessel”?
    CAPTAIN – “The MV Abbouttosink”.
    OFFICIAL – “Thanks. What type and size is your vessel and how many people is it licenced to carry”?
    CAPTAIN – “It’s a big peice of crap but it will do the job. I’m not sure what a licence is, but we will pack em in”.
    OFFICIAL – “OK, but do take enough water for your passengers to drink”.
    CAPTAIN – “Rest assured, no expense is spared with Sea Breeze Cruises. A free bottomless cup of tea and fresh air is available for all our passengers, but anything else is an add on”.
    OFFICIAL – “I have booked you in for a rescue at 2pm AEST tommorrow, but please go as far as possible. We have been instructed by finance to make savings on fuel”.
    CAPTAIN – “No problem. We will come as close as possible”.
    OFFICIAL – “Just out of curiosity, why have you named your boat the ‘MV Abbouttosink'”?
    CAPTAIN – “Well, I heard that the opposition leader of your country is not doing that well in the polls, so we have named the boat in honor of him”.
    OFFICIAL – “Ah ha, yes I get it.
    Mohamed, you are indeed a switched on man. I shall enrol you in English lessons and book you an appearance at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival”.
    CAPTAIN -“Thankyou Grant. I look forwards to that.
    Cheers. Over”.
    OFFICIAL – “Too easy. Goodday to you.
    Over and out”.

    regards,
    Orangefox

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  18. Caz2 says:

    Hi TS, in regard to the fly in “refugees” the Govt should hold their passports, and simply by reviewing the date of arrival, the Govt would know who had overstayed their visa. Of course it would need more staff checking work sites to track overstayers, but the UK and US do this. And we all know the of the type of job each nationality seeks. Take the Indian taxi drivers who have no idea where the passengers want to go. I am also concerned with deaths at sea, but I want to see Australians in jobs before illegal l workers , who are over represented in some occupations. Australia’s first. Tonight on TV they spoke about dodgy passports and visas.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Caz2, Yes Australians should always come first, and I for one was glad to see the government crack down on 457 visas, and tighten up the rules for those employing them. 😀

      i’m not sure what they do in relation to those that overstay their visas, but I agree that something needs to be done. 😀
      And if we can sort these issues out, then maybe we can increase our intake of genuine refugees who can add to this great nation 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  19. Janey says:

    It’s a very sad day that it has come to this. But I don’t think there is an alternate plan that would work. If we can take more asylum seekers from the camps and encourage other nations to do likewise then people may wait in line. Tough but right I think as the conservatives have made it impossible to have a decent, well informed and reasoned debate. The Greens will never be relevant until they are relevant.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Janey, welcome to my site 😀 and thanks for your comment 😎

      You are right to say that it is sad, but our hand has been forced by the people smugglers, the LNP and the greens.

      Their political intransigence has made it impossible to have a civilised and informed debate, and so we have the PNG solution which is not perfect, but until the LNP and the greens stop playing their political games, it is the best option for stopping the drownings.

      The greens have proven themselves to be monumental hypocrites on this issue, and I believe they will become politically irrelevant because of it. 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  20. Hefina says:

    Hi Truth Seeker, Thanks for the very interesting Article. I’ts such a hard complex issue with all these people coming , and tonight on Late line the Labor MP was saying that 50 thousand people was destined to be coming here if K Rudd hadn’t done what he did . I was talking to my husband this evening during Q&A because it was mostly to do with the Asylum seekers , and we came to the same decision about the newest arrivals from Iran ,

    They have been told that their destination is going to be PNG and now they are wondering is it best to go back home rather than going to PNG, if they do return them back to where they fled from , The question still is “Are they true Asylum Seekers? which i think they are not.

    Did you watch Late line tonight? Bill shorten is still trying to come to terms for what he did to Julia with the way he has gone, very subdued of late. but Tony Jones was as arrogant as ever
    cutting across Shorten but shorten fought back.
    Fisher was very good , I didn’t know he was autistic did you? he was in agreement the Decision Rudd had made but the solution has to come from the place they departed from .

    I also heard that the labor has taken a hit in the polls tonight , Liberals up two point . and labor down two point . I forget the figure. Theses polls should be stopped they are a hindrance as one of the guest on Q&A said herself . The media and the two parties the greens and Liberals also has to stop being negative, There will be lots of negative talk from Abbott as usual and unless Kevin Rudd goes to an election soon i think the polls will keep going down for him.
    That is the gut feeling iIm getting. how on earth can the people of Australia vote for such party.
    By the way , I counted 13 comments Marilyn J as she calls her self , made in the Guardian today her nasty l tongue isn’t helping Labor at all. she was writing comment’s on the David Marr article, . just down her street on Asylum seekers.
    I was wondering if it was she who pressed the report button on my comments and got me kicked off my the moderators . but I’m back on it again. it’s good to keep in touch with you . here though.
    I still read the IA every day but those on there now write on things I know nothing much about.
    but it’s interesting to read and have a giggle at the same time. Corn Legend is back to his own form. Hi Corn Legend,(:-) Take care Regards Hefina .
    PS. My Brother is travelling from QLD this week stopping in different water holes , mine would be the third, (:-) he started writing to the IA, but got sick. he’s a Lymphoma survivor but still has to be careful. will look forward to seeing him soon. He will have a lot to say about the Asylum Seekers coming on the high seas. he was a sea Captain .Cheers.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Hefina, thanks for your comment 😎 and your kind words 😀
      Yes it is a very complex issue, with no easy solutions. 😦

      My parents and I came out in 1969, and made Australia our home. 😀 So I do understand why people would want to come to the best country in the world, even though we do have our own problems, they are nothing to those of the genuine refugees. 😥

      I do think that many have a problem with those that are paying large sums of money to the people smugglers, and then call themselves “refugees”, when we see the shots of people with nothing living iv squalor in refugee camps in Syria and the like. 😦

      I did watch QandA last night, and got pretty annoyed with Tony Jones at times, but that’s normal 😯

      I wouldn’t worry too much about News poll, as it is Murdoch’s, and not that reliable, the Morgan poll which is a multi format poll and a much larger sample shows Labor still winning on a TTP basis, and even slightly ahead on 1st preference.

      Yes someone must have reported me to, as I am being moderated again at the Guardian, but there are always going to be idiots like Marilyn. 😯 She did come here once, but I Told her that I wouldn’t tolerate her trolling, and she hasn’t come back since 😀

      Hope you have a great time with your brother. 😀

      Don’t worry about the typos, cos we are all friends here, and all make them 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  21. Hefina says:

    OOps so many mistakes reading it back. my lap top tabs stick . sorry about that . cheers

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  22. cornlegend says:

    Good morning Red, good to hear from you.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      yes it is, 😀 and good to hear from you too 😯 😀

      Cheers 😀

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      • Hefina says:

        Change of pace for a min. this Royal Baby might just be what we want to take peoples minds off the Worlds problems. My choice of name would be, Prince LLewelyn. since his G/father is the Prince of WALES his father will be one day and the fact that Wales was their haven when they got married , what do you reckon. David is another one since his great Uncle was David who abdicated for Q E , Father King George?
        Have a good morning and cheers , bye Corn legend. .(:-)

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        • Truth Seeker says:

          Hefina, yes LLewelyn is a fine Welsh name, but I think that they may well stick to tradition, but you never know in this day and age, they might go for “Prince” or “Blanket” or “Moon Unit” 😀

          You have a great day too 😀

          Cheers 😀

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  23. jock says:

    Truthie agree with you 100% and comments 90%.
    I’m an economic migrant, 10 pound tourist from the UK in 1970 with wife and baby. I have great sympathy with the economic escapees from much harsher circumstances than mine ( also my resettlement part of the white Australia policy) and understand their motives entirely. But are they more deserving than the refugees in atrocious camps who have no money to pay the sumugglers. It all comes back to numbers. Our infrastructure and services can’t cope with large numbers, so choices have to be made. But pity the people and countries with no hope and no choice. Look at Jordan and Turkey being swamped with hundreds of thousands. ( By bias is creeping in; here consider the lack of help by the Isrealis across the Syra/West bank border.) AND ALL ABBOTT AND THE GREENS CAN DO IS SCORE POLITICAL POINTS – ARSEHOLES THE LOT OF THEM.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Morning Jock 😀 As I was saying to Hefina, we arrived in 1969, and also understand why people would want to come here, but as you say we can’t take everyone, and choices have to be made.

      As Shorten pointed out on QandA last night, we are not an un-generous nation, but there are something like 43 million displaced people around the world, and we can’t take them all. 😯

      Every country has to weigh up what is in their own best interests whilst still trying to do the right thing, and the greens and the LNP just muddy the waters with their petty political games. 🙄

      And your last line says it all “{ARSEHOLES THE LOT OF THEM!” 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  24. cornlegend says:

    Just so I understood the Asylum issue a bit better, I went off to look up some stuff.
    There are 147 countries signatories to the UNHCR.
    Currently Australia ranks 3rd behind the US and Canada in numbers taken
    Also
    A large number of refugee are from Iran.
    Countries with shaed borders , or close by are
    Georgia
    Uzbskistan
    Kyrgistan
    Tajikistan
    Armenia
    Turkmenistan
    ‘Tajikistan
    Kuwait
    Oman
    Bahrain
    Qatar
    United Arab Emerites
    Saudi Arabia
    Bulgaria
    Romania
    Moldova
    Ukraine
    Kazakhstan

    However requirements state a refugee should seek
    “Country of first asylum”

    The first, usually neighbouring country to which a refugee flees. The world’s refugee camps are in countries of first asylum.

    Illegal immigrant {Time we cracked down on this}

    A person who enters or remains in a country without a valid visa or travel authority, that is with no or with fraudulent documentation. According to Australian migration law, such people are ‘unlawfully’ or ‘illegally’ in Australia.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp0001/01RP05

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Cornie, thanks for your efforts, 😎

      I just heard how the people smugglers are now telling their victims that the PNG solution won’t last… Thanks Abbott … you complete KNOB! 👿

      Cheers 😀

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  25. Fed up says:

    Listen to some minors being questioned this morning in Indonesia. They said they have no choice, but to get on the boat. Said that the smugglers said they have to wait, as the seas are too rough. These young teenagers fathers are all dead. Family used all they had, to allow them to flee to safety. They do not know anyone in Australia to responser them.

    The said they cannot stay where they are, as they have no more money, and all they want to do, is be able to work. Yes, they said, PNG will be OK.

    It is a shame we cannot pick up the likes of these people, young as fifteen, and bring them herre, without having to get on that boat. I suspect they will be of great value to PNG.

    There is Mosque in PNG, and I am sure they will be looked after.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Fed up, yes i heard them too, It’s a shame that they can’t go to the PNG consulate in Jakarta, if there is one, and just claim asylum or apply there.

      That would save them risking their lives, and achieve the same end 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  26. Fed up says:

    They are on ABC 24 now. Yes, all they want to do is work. I suspect they will do well in PNG. It must be very lonely, having to endure the death of their fathers, and leave their families, with no idea where they will end up. I would say, three brave and sensible young boys.

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  27. anne louise says:

    Well, this article has been just great to read, as are the comments.

    I admit that I was feeling so awful about the ousting of J Gillard, that anything K Rudd put up I assessed as being purely politically driven, and it influenced my interpretation of the PNG solution.
    Well, this is a political response. It has to be, because this is a political problem.

    Originally I thought that the politics was the prominent feature, but I’m going to allow myself to realise that it has a humane component. In fact to my untrained eye I believe that for asylum seekers, asylum seekers who get onto leaky boats, and for PNG this could be a good solution.

    Politically it accomplishes the revelation of T Abbott as a callous and selfish possible PM – again, but to a greater degree. And C Milne and S Hansen Young have shown their ability to overlook a grievous dilemma for the sake of achieving their own political ends.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Anne Louise, welcome to my site 😀 and thanks for your fine comment 😎

      I have to tell you that many here, me included, felt pretty much the same, as we were great supporters of our first female PM 😦

      But we came to the conclusion that we need to support her legacy, which was her wish, against the real enemy of our democracy, Abbott and his LNP.

      I still believe that Julia would have won the election, when it came to the votes, but we have to deal with things as they are, and although I am still not happy with Rudd, I know that the future of our country depends on making sure that Abbott isn’t in control of it. 😯

      The reality is that Abbott and Milne have done everything they can to encourage the people smugglers to keep sending the boats, cos it’s in their best interests for them to keep coming, and for people to keep drowning. 👿

      His press conference with Bishop this afternoon confirmed that, as they continued to tell lies about the agreement with PNG, sending the message to the people smugglers that it won’t work, and that it is “already unraveling” , wishful thinking if ever I heard wishful thinking. 😯

      Your assessment of the situation is correct, and I thank you for your feedback. 😀
      and clear thinking 😎

      The political intransigence and mendaciousness of the LNP and the greens is now in plain view, and IMHO should as a result, be treated with the utter contempt that they deserve. 😯

      Abbott should never be allowed to become PM of this great nation, and the greens should fade back into the political obscurity from whence they came. 😀

      Thanks again , and;

      Cheers 😀

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  28. Jean-Philippe Guglielmi says:

    LAST MORGAN POLL:
    ALP52.5%, LNP 47.5%
    http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Jean Philippe, welcome 😀 and thanks for the info and the link 😎

      The Morgan poll is the biggest sample, and a multi format poll, making it more accurate than the Murdoch owned news poll, but it’s always the news poll that gets the hedlines… I wonder why? 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  29. cornlegend says:

    It appears that the Greens may be trying to ensure they don’t vanish into irrelevance.
    They know they can come up with utopian policies, cause they can win and govern.
    Cosying up to Abbott, in case he wins. with similar policies seems to be their current train of thought.
    At $7 billion, a bloody expensive thought though.
    The Greens will go to the election promising to beef up paid parental leave to a six months, wage-replacement scheme capped at an annual salary of $100,000.
    Greens leader Christine Milne and senator Sarah Hanson-Young will announce the policy in Canberra on Tuesday morning.

    The Australian Financial Review reports the announcement is an endorsement of Tony Abbott’s policy, however, Ms Hanson-Young clarified: “we’re not supporting Tony Abbott’s scheme wholeheartedly but we’d be open to negotiation.”

    The Coalition’s proposal has been opposed by Labor, in large part because Labor argues that the opposition’s plan would favour high-earners through its full wage-replacement provision on incomes up to $150,000.

    The Parliamentary Budget Office has told the Greens their policy would cost $7.1 billion over four years, with $1.9 billion of that coming from general revenues and $5.2 billion on raised company taxes for firms with taxable income of more than $5 million, the AFR reported

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/7/23/election/greens-unveil-leave-scheme

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      cornie, yes I saw the announcement this afternoon, 😯 I think SHY should change her name to SHN, cos she’s not Young, but she sure is “Naive” to the point of stupidity. 😀

      Milne is a certifiable left wing nut-job, and as far as their Irrelevance is concerned, I think that ship has already sailed, and is heading for an Iceberg that makes the Titanic’s look like a Lemonade Paddle Pop 😯

      Their hypocrisy is astounding, and irrelevancy is too good for them 😦

      See what you’ve done cornie, you’ve got me started 😯

      It was too much seeing Abbott and Bishop lying their way through a presser on the LNP solution, followed by Milne and SHN trying to imitate the previous pairs stupidity…

      Where’s my scotch?

      Head shake 🙄 Sigh 🙄 “MEDIC”

      Cheers 😀

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  30. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    I used to vote Green in the Senate.
    Then I got sick of the illusion they created.
    They can,for instance, as policy, say they will increase pensions by $1000, close every coal mine, ban logging everywhere install free solar to every home etc.
    It might win them votes, but they will never govern independently, and they know it, so can provide false hope.
    As with Asylum Seekers, SHY would have you believe we could take them all with no budgetry effect, etc, and take the high moral ground, because they will never be in a position to implement any of it.
    Friggin hypocritical crap.
    See wot ya dun Truthy.
    got me going 🙂

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Cornie, But you got me goin’ first 😛

      And besides 😛 I’ve been on the scotch for the last two + hours because of it so 😛

      “MEDIC” 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  31. bundysmum says:

    A more cynical political manoeuvre would be hard to find than that of the greens today. Suddenly supporting a tax on business to support wealthy women being paid extravagant amounts of money to breed.

    Never mind that the tax that they are cheersquading is the tax that will be devastating to low income earners and pensioners,who will be the people who can least afford this GREAT BIG NEW TAX ON EVERYDAY ESSENTIALS.

    These duplicitous @#$%^&#$ on the one hand decry the fact that the dole is below subsistence level and that single parents are starving but they now come out and support this rubbish in the desparate hope that abort will preference them to save them from political oblivion..

    They are truly the opportunists with no policies but an enviable ability to use the large parties to form their own future.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Bundysmum, thanks for your comment 😎 and so true. 😦

      The greens are flip flopping between the extreme left and the extreme right, and trying to play both ends against the middle, in the vain hope that they will be the last nut-job standing 😯

      I would no sooner vote for them, than I would for Abbott, as both party’s are full of pathetic hypocrites, who have no idea about the national interest, they are just full of self interest.

      As I said earlier they are not public servants but self servants. 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  32. cornlegend says:

    I’m in 😀

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Cornie, I just realised that the second option with an addition is a good theme for my next post 😀 “It’s not the refugees that are politically expedient, but the greens and the LNP!” 😀

      What do you think? 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  33. cornlegend says:

    That sounds like a winner.
    I really do get frustrated with the Greens and a lot of my friends for that matter.
    As you would guess, coming from my background of unions, politics etc, and from a strong left area like the Illawarra, a lot of my friends are from the {militant} left
    Their attitude seem to be, Labor have gone too far to the right, so it’s better to support the “more left”.
    This to me,, is a total waste of time, and effort.
    May be more “left” on some issues, but unrealistic and some of their policies border on cloud cuckoo land.
    What could be a strong environmental based party with solid progressive, socially inclusive, achievable ideas ,now run off with the pixies.
    Ah well Truthy,
    another dummy spit 😀

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Mate I agree, I was never a great fan of Brown, but I think he at least had some principles, whereas Milne and SHY(N) are taking the greens down the same road that Meg Lees took the Democrats. The lure of power is a major corrupting force, and it appears that ideology can be put aside or watered down when it suits, but not in the nations interest, only in their own interests. 😯

      Well, like Kate, I think I’ll sleep on it too 😀

      BTW mate, you did a lot of good work today over at IA, and with your comments here and at Kate’s. 😀 keep up the good work 😎

      Cheers 😀

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  34. cornlegend says:

    Truthseeker,
    I think ,currently just about every site is on about the Asylum seeker issue.
    I have been branded racist, anti asylum etc., mainly from those who espouse the similar {non} policies of the Greens.
    What it really boils down to, and the only bloody say we get any way is .
    Do you support the Asylum seeker policies of
    A. Kevin Rudd and Labor
    B. Tony Abbott and the LNP
    Australia is a 2 party country at this stage.
    The chance of a hung parliament again are slim
    preferential voting means the flow back to one of the “big 2 ” even if you vote for an Independent,, or for one of the plethora of other minor parties.
    The cold hard facts are that in the next month or so, those bleating the loudest, may have to deal with the Abbott/ Morrison LNP model.
    which IMHO is a shocker.

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  35. cornlegend says:

    A classic example of the “dodge the issue and bleat”
    is MarilynS on IA today on forced migration.

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  36. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    another article for you to view , once you arise,
    Rudd’s decision will stop the boats, Afghan asylum seekers declare

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/rudd8217s-decision-will-stop-the-boats-afghan-asylum-seekers-declare/story-fncynjr2-1226682491915#ixzz2ZtjIpoBo

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  37. cornlegend says:

    oops.
    link didn’t copy.
    could you remove the above one

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Morning Cornie, 😀 and who’s a busy boy then 😎

      Mate, thanks for your comments and hard work 😀 , the article is a beauty, and the pic and slogans are great 😆 , with the exception of “BOBM the BOATS” which sounds somewhat uncomfortable 😀 but not to painful 😯

      But the article does show that despite Abbott and Milne, the message is starting to hit home 😀

      Abbott must be absolutely spewing 😀

      Cheers 😀

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  38. kate ahearne says:

    You certainly have been a busy boy, cornie. Thanks, I’m off to follow your links.

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  39. Joy Cooper says:

    Someone tweeted that Christine Milne was . “smart, progressive and yes, kind-hearted”. She does not project this to the public at all, I’m afraid. To me she comes across as the complete opposite. Others thought the same. Milne has an awful, grim public persona. 😯

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Joy, I’m with you 😀 all I can see is a self serving rabid left wing nut-job, overawed by her own importance 😯 , but then you may have guessed that I’m not a fan 😀

      Cheers 😀

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      • Joy Cooper says:

        Agree with you 100%, TS. Milne most likely made a better deputy than leader as she hasn’t eased into the role very well although she was leader of the Tasmanian parliamentary Greens wasn’t she? That went well though, when she “oversaw a loose alliance between the Greens and Liberals” ending with her losing her state seat.

        I have very left wing views of fairness & justice for all but have never really trusted the Greens as they sometimes seem to be political harlots capable of selling their political favours to the highest bidder if it suits their purpose of that time. It does seem to change from day to day. Do not see them as alternatives to anything.

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        • Truth Seeker says:

          Joy, yes, like Cornie, I think you’ve nailed when you said “the Greens as they sometimes seem to be political harlots capable of selling their political favours to the highest bidder if it suits their purpose of that time.” 😀

          Love your work 😀

          Cheers 😀

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          • Joy Cooper says:

            Thanks, TS & Cornie. The reason I said if it suits their purpose of that time. was because their purpose seems to completely change from time to time.

            Used to always give them the vote for the Senate but was shocked at one election when the Greens (somewhere) handed their preferences to the Liberals. So never again. They did that in WA recently didn’t they? It does seem they have no real principles if they can do that sort of thing without considering their supporters. Idiots.

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  40. cornlegend says:

    Joy Cooper
    “Greens as they sometimes seem to be political harlots capable of selling their political favours to the highest bidder if it suits their purpose of that time”
    love it.
    a classic example their paid parental leave policy, which they modelled off Tony Abbotts pet project.
    Trying to tie up a preference deal so they can try and stay in existence, let alone relevant
    Truthy mate, get that club started ;grin:

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    • Joy Cooper says:

      Thanks Cornie. Ironically it seems as though the Royal birth has taken precedence over any publicity for the Greens outrageous PPL scheme. 😆

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Cornie, mate… should I direct you to the “How to” page above 😀 😆

      Sorry mate, I couldn’t help myself 😀

      I’m open to suggestions on the club 😉

      Cheers 😀

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  41. cornlegend says:

    Joy Cooper
    I was just checking the TV to see if there was a special “the making of the Royal Brat”
    Just wait an hour or two Milne or SHY will put their foot in it again
    Oops Truthy,
    I blew my last grin 😀
    ps.
    I just thought, there wouldn’t be a special on the above subject, that would be porno 🙂

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  42. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    just goes to show,
    I should bite my tongue at times
    in regard to smilies.
    gotta say, I deserved it 😀

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  43. cornlegend says:

    Had a bit of a smile when I read this.
    Tony Abbott’s chief of staff to plead guilty to drink driving after she was charged on night of Budget reply
    Ms Peta Credlin’s lawyer Ben Aulich submitted a letter to Magistrate Beth Campbell which said that “due to her high profile public position” she would be unable to attend court until the September date.

    “I’m just a bit embarrassed because I don’t even know who she is,” Magistrate Campbell said.

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  44. cornlegend says:

    One of the consequences for Abbott was that he was caught out with his lying.
    Papua New Guinea’s prime minister has launched an extraordinary attack on the Coalition, accusing it of “misrepresenting” Australia’s foreign aid deal with his country.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-24/png-pm-warns-coalition-to-stop-misrepresenting-aid-deal/4841552

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      So after verballing the Indonesians, Abbott and Bishop have now verballed the PNG PM… Mmmmm Imagine if they were in government how much damage they could do to international relations. 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  45. Truth Seeker says:

    Just posted “It’s not the refugees that are politically expedient, but the LNP and the Greens.”
    https://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/its-not-the-refugees-that-are-politically-expedient-but-the-lnp-and-the-greens/

    Cheers 😀

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  46. Lee J. says:

    Thankyou so much for saying what I have also been saying for a while now: the present asylum seeker situation IS NOT LABOR’S FAULT – they have been forced into this position by the Coalition on one side and the Greens on the other, as well as do-gooder lawyers who couldn’t see the forest (deaths at sea) for the trees (idealism). The Malaysia solution was the most humane and least bad we could have had (there is no good or ideal solution to this issue), and it would have worked. We don’t just have a responsibility to the asylum seekers who have the means to get on a boat to Australia; we also have a responsibility to those who have been waiting for years in refugee camps in Indonesia and Malaysia.

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Lee J, welcome to my site 😀 and thanks for your fine comment 😎

      Yes it’s a sad state of affairs that the MSM reproduce, verbatim, the spin and lies of the LNP, and rarely if ever question/call them out using truth and facts. 😦

      Todays announcement of Abbott’s “National Emergency.” is another classic example, where we have a National emergency, declared by a national disgrace and embarrassment. 😯 Imagine how many of our neighbours he could offend if he every became PM 😯

      Cheers 😀

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  47. Fed up says:

    http://news.defence.gov.au/2013/07/25/a-statement-from-the-chief-of-the-defence-force-2/

    25 July 2013

    A statement from the Chief of the Defence Force

    Contrary to media reporting today, the Chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley has not provided advice or recommendations to Opposition Leader, Mr Tony Abbott with respect to Coalition policy on asylum seeker issues.

    Defence understands that the Chief of the Defence Force would be consulted regarding any future policies affecting Defence to be implemented by a future government.

    The Chief of the Defence Force’s role is to implement the policies of the Government of the Day and the Australian Defence Force continues to contribute to the whole-of-government effort to protect Australia’s borders and offshore maritime interests through Operation RESOLUTE.

    Approximately 500 Defence personnel are assigned to support Operation RESOLUTE and up to seven Armidale Class Patrol Boats, one major Fleet Unit, three AP-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and a Transit Security Element.

    The work is difficult, dangerous and unrelenting.

    The men and women who are deployed on Operation RESOLUTE do an outstanding job under intense scrutiny.

    Media contact:

    Defence Media Operations (02) 6127 1999

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  48. cornlegend says:

    Truthy,
    spent a wee bit of time at the club today.
    A few of the wise old oracles reckon that they know the Greens tactics.
    Milne has come up with the Parental leave policy, so as to put them in the same area as LNP.
    As this is Abbotts play thing, which he desperately wants to get up, there is a fair chance that a preference deal could be a possibility.
    One mate, a Greens member, reckons it was all brought about by , or because of the Wikkileaks Party.
    They are absolutely shit scared that Wikkileaks will decimate their vote.
    The allure of a new party, bloody good candidates and similar policies , and of course, the persona of Julian , is something the Greens can’t handle.
    My Greens member friend, admitted that he will be voting for Wikkileaks, and letting his membership lapse.
    He is concerned that young people will flood in through net involvement, and the Left, who won’t support Labor, but are disgusted with Milne, will also flock over, as well as special interest groups.
    I thought the Green would just about hold their vote.
    He reckons it will be at least halved.
    Interesting times 😀

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      Cornie, mate I’ve been saying for a long time that Milne is taking the greens down the same path as Meg Lees did with the Democrats 😦

      Interesting times indeed 😀

      Cheers 😀

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